Saw Jimmy Houston Today and have to tell this story

[raporter]

Hunting in high fenced areas is not illegal and is done all over the US. If you don't agree with it so be it but many people make a good living by providing this type of outdoors service whether it is hunting or fishing.

I've met Jimmy a time or two and he has always been a real down to earth guy and willing to help you out if needed.

Charlie

NOt many of us who have seen that video will watch or listen to "Cackles" again. And as far as calling it hunting I guess we can just call the guy at the slaughter house a hunter too, at least he doesn't prop the drugged animal up and poke it full of holes while laughing about it.

[ukkid]

sounds like raporter might be one of those PETA fruitcakes. Remember PETA stands for People Eating Tasty Animals!!

[raporter]

sounds like raporter might be one of those PETA fruitcakes. Remember PETA stands for People Eating Tasty Animals!!

Yep that's me. Just had some deer steaks last night. Anyone who can shoot a drugged deer that is propped up against a fence over and over just lost all respect from this lifetime HUNTER. If you don't understand why those of us will never watch JH again just google him and watch him "HUNT" the "ELUSIVE" Indiana whitetail. If he would do that to a deer I can only imagine to what lengths he would go to film a fishing show.Some of us still respect the animals we hunt and the fish we catch.

[Bassky]

If you have money you can hunt whereever you want and the type of animal you desire. Look at the realtree guy, Bill Jordan(?). He hunts and films in these types of places all the time. To me I agree with you it isn't really hunting. However, I don't see where it affects the character of a person. Jimmy Houston has great character and has done alot for the sport of bass fishing. I disagree with you here.
Bassky

[Tshad]

Where do you think Knight and Hale does most of there hunting shows, they have a place close to barkley with 10' high fence all around it. They won't even let there familys hunt on this farm. Its not the most ethical way but thats t.v. for you.

[raporter]

Where do you think Knight and Hale does most of there hunting shows, they have a place close to barkley with 10' high fence all around it. They won't even let there familys hunt on this farm. Its not the most ethical way but thats t.v. for you.

If it doesn't say fair chase it is probably filmed in an inclosure. I have hunted for 55 years and respected every animal I have ever taken and hate to see the sport I love cheapened in this manner. I also would never lower myself and call a fellow outdoorsman a PETA member just because I didn't agree with him.

[RVogler]

Well Raporter, I believe the PETA assumption was a fair one. Even though you are a hunter with different views and ethics doesn't neccesarily give you the power to degrade others. They may disagree with your style of hunting and overall...it's hunting. For the record, I am by far a good hunter and I have never went to a canned or fenced hunt, but I do not judge others for doing so. I will never hunt inside of a fence because it is not my style, but that's neither here nor there. When I was a child, my parents took me to Trout Haven in Estes Park in Colorado. It is a stocked pond with...you guessed it-Trout. I had a blast and caught some nice fish. These days I would not pay to fish a pond such as that because I have a different style than when I was 5. I don't disagree with it and especially on a public forum where PETA members lurk to see what "cruel" things us outdoorsmen and women are doing these days to hunt, kill, and eat God's creatures. The way I look at it is that it's peolpe like yourself that make exceptions to the rules based on your morals and ethics which in turn benefits these tree-huggin' radicals. When you make an exception to something such as this, you give them a leg to stand on. Same as if the liberals want to ban assualt rifles and you make an exception because all you own is pistols and shotguns. Well, guess what? Next they want your pistols. You just then screwed yourself because you made an exception because of your own beliefs, morals, ethics, etc. You can disagree with me here all you want, but all I say is don't degrade your fellow hunters and fisherman to make a personal point. I really don't care about your opinion, but they do, and more than likely...your statement gave them motivation to pursue taking another right from us.

-Ross

[raporter]

Well Raporter, I believe the PETA assumption was a fair one. Even though you are a hunter with different views and ethics doesn't neccesarily give you the power to degrade others. They may disagree with your style of hunting and overall...it's hunting. For the record, I am by far a good hunter and I have never went to a canned or fenced hunt, but I do not judge others for doing so. I will never hunt inside of a fence because it is not my style, but that's neither here nor there. When I was a child, my parents took me to Trout Haven in Estes Park in Colorado. It is a stocked pond with...you guessed it-Trout. I had a blast and caught some nice fish. These days I would not pay to fish a pond such as that because I have a different style than when I was 5. I don't disagree with it and especially on a public forum where PETA members lurk to see what "cruel" things us outdoorsmen and women are doing these days to hunt, kill, and eat God's creatures. The way I look at it is that it's peolpe like yourself that make exceptions to the rules based on your morals and ethics which in turn benefits these tree-huggin' radicals. When you make an exception to something such as this, you give them a leg to stand on. Same as if the liberals want to ban assualt rifles and you make an exception because all you own is pistols and shotguns. Well, guess what? Next they want your pistols. You just then screwed yourself because you made an exception because of your own beliefs, morals, ethics, etc. You can disagree with me here all you want, but all I say is don't degrade your fellow hunters and fisherman to make a personal point. I really don't care about your opinion, but they do, and more than likely...your statement gave them motivation to pursue taking another right from us.

-Ross

Obviously you have not bothered to watch the video. It's idiotic action like that that gets the PETA jerks the attention they need. Was it legal? No it was not and If you don't believe this just contact Mr Bellar ( the owner of the facility)and ask him. Provided he is out of prison by now. I did not degrade any fellow hunter or fisherman, that was you. Now if you want to watch and support Old Jimmy, feel free. I never said not to. However you might ask him if he thought what he did was right. It was hunters who fought this activity in this state, not PETA. I was at the meetings, just a bunch of us HUNTERS and the high fence operators. No PETA to be seen. You quite obviously are very new to fighting PETA if you think this gives them any fuel. Again, watch the video then ask yourself "Who is really giving PETA amunition".
JH posted this buck on his web page entitled "Elusive Indiana buck", you will notice it is not there anymore. How about looking at it a little different. Suppose someone raises a 25 pound bass in a pond and offers it to the high bidder. Then moneybags (Who happens to make his money on outdoor shows) shows up and the owner nets the bass and puts it in a barrel where Mr moneybags can snag it. He then puts it on his website telling how he caught the elusive record bass. Of course you cannot complain about it because it might give PETA another reason to hate us.

[RVogler]

Obviously you have not bothered to watch the video. It's idiotic action like that that gets the PETA jerks the attention they need. Was it legal? No it was not and If you don't believe this just contact Mr Bellar ( the owner of the facility)and ask him. Provided he is out of prison by now. I did not degrade any fellow hunter or fisherman, that was you. Now if you want to watch and support Old Jimmy, feel free. I never said not to. However you might ask him if he thought what he did was right. It was hunters who fought this activity in this state, not PETA. I was at the meetings, just a bunch of us HUNTERS and the high fence operators. No PETA to be seen. You quite obviously are very new to fighting PETA if you think this gives them any fuel. Again, watch the video then ask yourself "Who is really giving PETA amunition".
JH posted this buck on his web page entitled "Elusive Indiana buck", you will notice it is not there anymore. How about looking at it a little different. Suppose someone raises a 25 pound bass in a pond and offers it to the high bidder. Then moneybags (Who happens to make his money on outdoor shows) shows up and the owner nets the bass and puts it in a barrel where Mr moneybags can snag it. He then puts it on his website telling how he caught the elusive record bass. Of course you cannot complain about it because it might give PETA another reason to hate us.

Don't get me wrong, I understand your points, and most people probably do. I haven't watched the video, and probably don't want to see it. The bottom line is your statement in general to high fence, low fence, and enclosed. I don't agree with feeding, salt blocks, doe piss, etc. , but I don't slam it, because it may affect the sport somehow. I don't agree with trapping with bait or not having a trap signed or flagged. In fact, my brothers lab almost got her foot trapped when we were duck hunting. I'm not going to bash trapping because of my views.

In fact I didn't even care for decoys while duck hunting, but I now use them because it wouldn't be duck hunting if I didn't. I didn't slam it at first because I didn't understand that some people need these decoys. Now I use them and I am glad that I do. At first, I just didn't understand it and felt it was not a fair hunt. I felt it "cheapend" the sport. Now I realize that you need decoys to get birds.

Lures for catching fish? I guess if you wanted everything to be harder you could catch them by hand? Some people catch them by hand. Have you ever seen the guys who catch catfish while 'noodling' with their bare hands? Pretty cool stuff. I wonder if they bash the fishermen that use bait? I could ramble on to save my opinion, but I think you get my point. If you don't agree with it that's fine, but in my opinion...keep it to yourself (respectfully speaking).

[raporter]

Don't get me wrong, I understand your points, and most people probably do. I haven't watched the video, and probably don't want to see it. The bottom line is your statement in general to high fence, low fence, and enclosed. I don't agree with feeding, salt blocks, doe piss, etc. , but I don't slam it, because it may affect the sport somehow. I don't agree with trapping with bait or not having a trap signed or flagged. In fact, my brothers lab almost got her foot trapped when we were duck hunting. I'm not going to bash trapping because of my views.

In fact I didn't even care for decoys while duck hunting, but I now use them because it wouldn't be duck hunting if I didn't. I didn't slam it at first because I didn't understand that some people need these decoys. Now I use them and I am glad that I do. At first, I just didn't understand it and felt it was not a fair hunt. I felt it "cheapend" the sport. Now I realize that you need decoys to get birds.

Lures for catching fish? I guess if you wanted everything to be harder you could catch them by hand? Some people catch them by hand. Have you ever seen the guys who catch catfish while 'noodling' with their bare hands? Pretty cool stuff. I wonder if they bash the fishermen that use bait? I could ramble on to save my opinion, but I think you get my point. If you don't agree with it that's fine, but in my opinion...keep it to yourself (respectfully speaking).

So in your opinion Ol Jimmy is OK for doing his criminal act but anyone who points it out is a bad guy. What does using artificial bait have to do with snagging fish in a barrel? My post was not about the enclosure itself but JH shooting a drugged deer that was propped up against a fence numerous times while doing his famous cackle. Until that time since Billy Westmorland died he was my favorite to watch. I too thought he was a man of great character. I was wrong. One last thing then I am done. This is a "sides" thing, those who think what he did dispicable and those who think it is alright. Your "side" lost all credibility when the first response was unfounded insinuations and name calling.

[RVogler]

So in your opinion Ol Jimmy is OK for doing his criminal act but anyone who points it out is a bad guy. What does using artificial bait have to do with snagging fish in a barrel? My post was not about the enclosure itself but JH shooting a drugged deer that was propped up against a fence numerous times while doing his famous cackle. Until that time since Billy Westmorland died he was my favorite to watch. I too thought he was a man of great character. I was wrong. One last thing then I am done. This is a "sides" thing, those who think what he did dispicable and those who think it is alright. Your "side" lost all credibility when the first response was unfounded insinuations and name calling.

I have looked over this thread and reread it from start to finish. From the beginning I was believing you were speaking of fence hunting in general. I was wrong and apoligize. I guess the video is similar to the guy going to a petting zoo and killing an animal for kicks. I view all of it as a precious life and I respect all living things. I will say I agree with you, Raporter, but if one was to bring up fence hunting as a no, no, I would quietly agree, but keep my mouth shut because everyone has their styles and most are different than mine.

[raporter]

I have looked over this thread and reread it from start to finish. From the beginning I was believing you were speaking of fence hunting in general. I was wrong and apoligize. I guess the video is similar to the guy going to a petting zoo and killing an animal for kicks. I view all of it as a precious life and I respect all living things. I will say I agree with you, Raporter, but if one was to bring up fence hunting as a no, no, I would quietly agree, but keep my mouth shut because everyone has their styles and most are different than mine.

OK then one more. Apology accepted. No one should ever call a fellow outdoors person a PETA person. I will make one thing clear though. I am against high fence "hunting" as it is done in Indiana. In Texas where they are hunting wild bred animals I can go along with. These in Indiana are raised on farms mainly by Amish and they are used to human contact. Soon these place will go the way of the dinosaur(many already have).
Now lets go fishing. I live three miles from the South Lick ramp but am heading to Lick Fork to fish the main lake.