just **** it up!!!!

[DJD]

Larry,
We can agree to disagree. I get 40 miles per gallon on that Harley and it's just for fun, I can drive around and unwind from all the negative Liberal garbage I hear all the time! Lol!! My buddy bought the full sized bass boat and he gets alot less to the gallon so his toy stays in the garage mine gets used.
I use my Toyota Highlander or my Chevy Pickup when needed to haul the kids, dogs or mulch for the house. A Recession is two quarters of negative growth...google "recession". Hadg

[RoadToad]

Maybe we're in a recession, maybe we aren't, but nobody on the planet can say for sure while it's happening. By definition, you can't know whether we're in a recession until we've experienced two consecutive quarters of negative growth of the GDP, and those numbers aren't available until after the fact. Last quarter, the GDP did grow, a very small amount. But that doesn't mean that the quarter we're currently in, and the next quarter, won't show negative growth of the GDP. If they do, then we can look back and say that today (7/14/08) we were in a recession. If not, then our current situation is not a true "recession." So, anybody who tries to tell you that yes, we're in a recession, or no, we're not, is IMHO not an "economic expert," because they don't understand the terms they're using. They're just some schmuck with an opinion (kinda like me).

[Bobby Headrick]

No offence taken DJD. I am not a tried and true liberal, as I try see both sides of the issue. I am not blaming just the repub's for this mess, both sides have made this mess and both need to work together to clean it up. I was raised Rep, but later switched, I am more of an independent, but that limits your voting options and cannot vote in Primarys. I do not want Gov control of everything just some things need monitered better, ie; health care, ins, energy. Yes I agree that we are not in a defined ression according to the experts, but it sure is feeling like one, too much job loss, to many business folding. Car dealers are slashiing prices and people still are not buying, so are boat dealers. Nothing is moving much as most are just trying to survive until this is over. Yes both parties are controled by the rich and powerful, both parties voted for this stupid war without 100% proof of why we needed to go to war in the first place. It seems that the majority that are in charge of this great country of ours only care for themselves and their entorage. If the leaders did care then we would not be in this mess. I work in the welfare dept for Ky, I do agree that there are a lot out there abusing this system, some have never and will never work, and we all foot their bill, this is not right. Also the illegal imagration thing is also hurting us, as some receive benifits but do not pay any taxes, boy I sure do pay them and dearly. This makes me sick. To me this crisis is manily affecting the middle class working people, the retired, and the disabled who have worked all their lives. I love a debate and like the express my opinoins just like you. I am no expert, and do not claim to be, if I had the money I would run for office, but I am too honest to be a politican and like working for my check. We as a people need to work together to solve these problems, as this country was set up by the people for the people of the people.

[DJD]

I was raised around the Military seeing as my Dad is a 30 year Navy man and I served 4 years in the Army. He never discussed politics with us (smart man) and has voted both sides. I'm actually a registered Independant who has sided with the Conservative side each time but it's getting harder to tell who is what anymore. Each side walks the fence so much just to tap into the Independant and Minority votes. Alot of The Christian Right Wing voters are up for grabs this time as well. In this upcoming election I'll go McCain but he wasn't my choice, now he is my only choice.

[Bobby Headrick]

My dad was Navy also, I was too fat when I tried to join and then too old when I lost weight, I wish I could have gotten in cause I belive it makes some people stronger and you can learn a lot in the military, I just wish tese guys could get back from Iraq, I have several family members there, one has been there since the start, he was battlefield promated from 2nd lieu, to major, as his squad was dropped on top of a Taliban unit, and they all came out alive, he was in the very first wave in Afganistan, actually the first group that hit the ground there. He is a fine solider and person. Maybe we can put all our differences aside and fish someday, when things get better. It is killing me that I cannot afford to fish as much this year as gas and food and mortage is priority at this time. Thanks for being a good debatior, this is how problems can get solved by all discussing the issues.

[DJD]

Man, next time you talk to either family member thank them for us. The Military follows orders and if that means go to war they do it right or wrong. Serving in the Military makes you understand what tough times can be like even in peace time. I have the utmost respect for men and women who serve! Be safe.

[LarryG]

No matter who wins this fall, some of these problems will need to be solved, quick.If mcbush wins,I'm not going to leave the country, if BO wins, i'm pretty sure most of us will still be around. Each candidate is close to 45% in the polls, so its a horse race. But one fact stands out. More than 85% of americans do not approve of congress.But will that mean a clean sweep out of office for the incumbents NO! the obststructionists will be with us again, and thje turf war will continue, because we get what we elect.So maybe were not as politically astute as we claim to be. Remember WE put them into office, so in effect, who is to blame?About experts, most of them dont know what a down turn is, they all seem to be working. And last but not least, when EXPERTS looked at a june bug, they all agreed, those things cant fly.