Well first off thanks to everyone who responded. I finally broke the spell and stuck a couple nice fish last night, not as nice as l have caught but both5 + lbs. The large worm out in the pads worked . Used 80 lb braid, 3/4oz worm weight 5/0 wide gap with a 10" black and blue Culprit. Man we were all wore out from horsin them out of the pads they are tough. I have fished the edges and caught fish but using a push pole and raising tm and big motor about 30'-100' back in the lily pads was a new experiance. I got a kick out of the comments from other club members like what are you doing picking weeds out of the water garden. or one youger guy asks what you cultivating back in there.

once again this site is great for ideas and everything else thanks Joe G