Hydrogen for fuel increases MPG

[thebassman30]

I saw this deal in action last night on an 2002 F150 v6. My brother'n'law is getting about 30 mpg (it was 20 mpg) by using some sort of water/baking soda combo in a canister that creates hydrogen through electrolysis. Then he's got it being vacuum sucked into the combustion chamber through his PCV valve. He's got it wired to shut off w/ the vehicle and another bypass to shut it off at any point. Further, he purchased an O2 Sensor variable switch that allows him to tweak his air/fuel exchange. He's added another digital gauge...I think this is tied into his vehicles computer....that gives him real time feedback on all sorts of stuff...including MPG, avg speed, etc. Basically all the info we would get if we had a 08-09 vehicle with all the on board info.

I really thought this was a hoax, but what he's doing really makes sense....any mechanics or anyone out there want to weigh in?
M

[LarryG]

I have heard of several guys talking about an H2 boost, but lets be realistic, what is the cost of materials, labor, and addiitional equiptment, and then factor in savings, probably not much, but for guys who like to tinker, go for it, I'll spend my tiome fishing.

[fishbum]

I have heard of several guys talking about an H2 boost, but lets be realistic, what is the cost of materials, labor, and addiitional equiptment, and then factor in savings, probably not much, but for guys who like to tinker, go for it, I'll spend my tiome fishing.

Lets figure a 240 mile trip.. (Divides easily by 20 and 30.. and about the mileage to some areas of Ky. Lake from Louisville Area)
240 divided by 20 is 12 gallons X 2 for going and coming is 24 Gallons or $96 at $4.00 a gallon ( Forgive me gas was 4.76 in Alaska all summer)
240 divided by 30 is 8 Gallons X 2 for going and coming is 16 gallons or $64
at $4.00 a gallon a savings of $32
10 trips a year and that is $320
Not sure what the materials cost but that is a ton of cash to me and a REALLY good Casting Reel or Spinning Reel and Rod.
Jim

[thebassman30]

I spend $500 a month in gas for my business so It's got me thinking. Plus, how can you tow anything serious with a 30 mpg vehicle unless you do something like this?

Total cost is <$200 + time. He's not a mechanic, but a system adminstrator (computer geek) with a long commute.

He's now looking at improving the design with lots of other suggestions on the web and then he's going to convert all other vehicles, his boat and his lawn mower. In fact, he thinks he can run his lawn mower completely on hydrogen.

I recently read where some guy let his car idle for 3 days solid on this exact system. The addition of Hydrogen to the combustion chamber makes your car run more efficiently, run cooler and with more HP than regular.....like I said...I thought it to be a hoax and I'm anxious to see how it does with some time on it. However, people have been doing this for years...just no one I know.

[Coyotehunter]

Check out the new Honda Clarity Hydrogen Fuel Cell Powered Car that's being tested in California right now.

Do a google search for Honda or go to the www.honda.com web site and search for the hydrogen fuel cell car. http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-cla...y-station.aspx
http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/refueling.aspx

I was checking it out the other day. Honda even has a home hydrogen fueling station that they are testing. They use solar panels on the roof and natural gas to make hydrogen. The hydrogen is used in the fuel cell power unit to produce electricity. Excess Hydrogen Gas can be stored and pumped into the Hydrogen Fuel Cell Powered Vehicles.

The Clarity can go for 280 miles on one filling of Hydrogen.

And the exhaust is nothing but WATER VAPOR.

There is not pollution from this entire system. Other than the pollution that comes from finding, refining and shipping the natural gas to our homes. But natural gas is the cleanest form of fossil fuel that there is.

I would predict that this system will take over oil as a power source for the world in the next 25 years. And as they use Nano technology to improve the efficiency of solar panels they will become more popular and less expensive as they are sold to the masses.

Right now German is making and selling Submarines that can stay underwater for a month and travel all the way across the Atlantic Ocean from Europe to our East Coast using only Hydrogen Fuel Cells to power the submarines. They are the submarines of the 21 st century. They can hide like a hole in the ocean from our navy and are quieter than the new Virgina Class Nuclear Attack Submarines that our US navy is using.

If hydrogen fuel cells can power submarines then they can also power buses, trains and trucks as well.
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quote=thebassman30;337387]I spend $500 a month in gas for my business so It's got me thinking. Plus, how can you tow anything serious with a 30 mpg vehicle unless you do something like this?

Total cost is <$200 + time. He's not a mechanic, but a system adminstrator (computer geek) with a long commute.

He's now looking at improving the design with lots of other suggestions on the web and then he's going to convert all other vehicles, his boat and his lawn mower. In fact, he thinks he can run his lawn mower completely on hydrogen.

I recently read where some guy let his car idle for 3 days solid on this exact system. The addition of Hydrogen to the combustion chamber makes your car run more efficiently, run cooler and with more HP than regular.....like I said...I thought it to be a hoax and I'm anxious to see how it does with some time on it. However, people have been doing this for years...just no one I know.[/quote]

[zx150]

I think it was WAVE 3 that ran a story about a new system that can be put on your car that could almost double your gas mileage. The cost was $2,000 and I think the auto shop was in Shelbyville.

[Bair]

there is several people in the state making these.. I believe they charge around 1,000 .. But if you do a little research you could do like i did and just make it yourself.. I believe i got around $40 in mine and went from 15-17 to 22-30 .. Just be really careful with your baking soda mix to water.. If you mix to much it will get really hot and you will start melting wires.. It also made my truck fun smoother . But if anyone needs any help on making one of these just send me a message..

[Duayne]

I've done a Little research on this. It seems many of these kits use electric current to break down water. Some break down H2O into HHO, which is a gas version of water. It looks like making a "system" can be quite inexpensive in itself. But the problem comes from the vehicle's computer, which is already tuned inefficiently. Based on what I have read, without "retuning" the computer a home made system like this can only see up to a 10% increase. There are sensors that monitor how much oxygen is in the exhaust. If there is too much, the computer sends even more fuel than normal. Some of the pre-made kits include a secondary computer that retrains (Reprograms?) the car's computer to accept one of these systems.

I would be very interested in the opinions and help from those who have done this! Have you done anything to reprogram the system?

Heck, I want to put one on my boat. Why not?

[Bair]

I have seen that programer also.. I know this setup works without a programmer but i also believe that if you could do a little adjusting to your computer you would get better results.And as for your boat.. I was trolling around cumberland thinking the same thing..lol But i don't know what it would do to a 2 stroke... But i am gonna try and get my lawnmower to run on hydrogen alone by next summer

[LarryG]

[I]'m no auto buff. But am familiar with hydrogen, being a H@ plant operator for many years. This stuf is extremly flamable, and tricky to contain,The company I workrd for has done a lot of research on fuel cells, and have some working industrial models. But here comes the rub, how will the auto industry and the oil companys adress this issue?California had a ne emission law in the 70s and there was a lot of work done on electric cars, that was scraped by congressm why?Battery patents were bought up, and are being kept away from the public.California also had public charge stations set up, those were removed, the cars were recalled, and scraped.Dont worry, if any break through is made, it will be japanese, or german, not american.

[Duayne]

My boat is a four stroke, but from what I have read, I doubt it would matter. As a matter of fact, I think it would help a two stroke even more, since I would think the burn is hotter.

I would like to see your plans. Do you have them via electronic?

[Bair]

Duane.. I don't have any plans one here.. but where do you live if i am anywhere close i would be happy to show you what i got and ley you go from there..