EtecRanger, shallow water (5 to 6 feet) may not turn over in the sense of the FALL TURNOVER where there is a Thermalcline but it does turn over from top to bottom (especially if there has not been any rain to cause current) and that is ever more turn when the depth is 10 to 15 or even 20 feet, even though the thermalcline is at 22-25 feet. There is no thermalcline in the shallow creeks. Most of the creek where I was had a dept of 10 to 15 feet. I still say that will turnover because that shallow water. 10 to 15 feet, will heat all the way through during the summer (84 on the surface and 84 at 15 feet) then when the surface cools a few degrees the cold(er) water will sink to the bottom causing a "turnover". When I was in Tules a couple weeks ago the water was 84 degrees, it was 73 to 75 today in the areas that I say have turned over. Closer to the main lake the water was warmer (80 degrees or so) and had not turned over.

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