Hey buddy, all you gotta do is catch me and i'll show the wonders of stacking. I hardly ever spin at all anymore unless it's to put in a really even band all the way around. Even on my poppers I pretty much stick with stacking. I'll show you. Also for you lilmule, Dave whitlock has an excellent instructional video. If you got our dvd from basspro, you probably have it. It does take practice to learn though. Especially the trimming/shaping part. Don;t get discouraged. Colonel and I definately have lots of misfit flies. I like occasionally to fish them anyway when the bite is really hot so I can say, "look even my garbage catches fish!"