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    Re: Question for the Obama Voters

    To answer the questions, I am a reg DEM but I am moderate on severl dem views, I am pro gun, pro choice with exceptions, pro gov control for some things, mostly things like NESSASITYS for the citizens, like FUEL, INS, FOOD, and UTILITYS, we need more oversite in these areas. Does not the present admins plan to buy up Mortages seem a little SOCILIST? The gov controling your house payment and mortage. Also the war should have focused on Afganistan and BIN LADEN as he was the main criminal in these attacks, we blew it here as we never finished our objective there as we focused on SADDAM and IRAQ, we threw the focus of the whole war, by going to IRAQ and made things worse for us. IRAQ did not ATTACK US, They had no so called weapons of mass destruction. BUSH commetted a crime by going to war UNPROVOKED and UNDER FALSE information.That is just plain fact.Bush also wanted the BAILOUT PLAN it was not only the Dem's and the mortage mess yes their is blame on the dems side, but saying that the war did not help hurt the economy is wrong, 10 billion a month is a lot of money that we do not have. The mortage mess was caused by GREED AND NOTHING MORE THAN GREED, AIG took another bailout and this time went to VEGAS. This is the stuff that hurt the economy both parties are to blame but Bush is the boss and if a company fails it is usually the leader that takes the BLAME.

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    Re: Question for the Obama Voters

    The mortgage mess was caused for the most part by Democrat politicians pandering for votes. Frank Raines who presided over much of the sub prime lending practices, and got stinking rich off it became a Barack Obama campaign advisor. It was Christopher Dodd, the Democrat house banking chairman who along with his Democrat colleagues stopped the Republican submitted bill to reign in foolish lending practices. (Just those hard hearted ole Republicans trying to stick it the poor and minorities again. Luckily we have the Dems, champions of the downtrodden.) Dodd and Obama received more campaign contributions from the lending oufits in question than any other politicians.

    I agree both parties are to blame, the Dems for creating the mortgage crisis, and Reps for not making a better effort to prevent it. I also hold both parties responsible for stealing our money for the bailout. Thieves go to jail in America, but the executive and legislative branches of our government got away cleanly with one of the biggest heists in history. And they ain't done yet. Mitch McConnell can kiss my vote goodbye, but I'll abstain before voting for Bruce Lunsford.

    Which brings me back to my main point. All things considered, how in the world can you vote for an even larger federal government?

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    You guys know doggone well that the Dems with their pity party for the weak and deprived had pushed for subprime lending to people who cannot pay the money back that fact has been established. Barney Frank is a nimrod for his denial on this. It also lends oneself to believe it was for the votes of these folks that the Dems always cater too. Goes back to Carter and Clinton and yes now both parties are enjoying the benefits of not having to take responsibility. Ol' Mel Brooks said it best...."it's good to be the king" because you can change the rules as you go and thats exactly what these numbnuts have done.

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    Re: Question for the Obama Voters

    Well if the ecomony keeps like it is going we all might be like "those people". Yes I will be the first one to agree that our Social programs are abused, missran, and some are downright stupid. I see people every day that have never hit a lick at anything but having babies, and that makes me sick. I do not agree with all the liberal stuff, nor all the conservitive stuff. I was raised REPUBLICAN, so I have some of those belives instilled in me from childhood, but I changed when the REPUBLICANS changed, this is not the party of my father and grandfathers, greed took it over like both parties. Some Gov programs are good, look if some of you get laid off you will sign up for unemployment, a GOV program, when you retire you will receive social security, a GOV program. You got student loans, gov program, fare housing thru VA or FHA, Gov programs. If you are young and have a child but youe employer offers no ins, you can get that child ins thru the GOV at little or no cost. If you lose your job and all your resources the Gov will get you food. That program is the most abused though, but when it is needed and deserved it is good, it jsut needs to be a temp program. Gov now is going into the banking and mortage business buying up bad debts. Gov Program pushed by and signed by Pres Bush, yes lending money to people who cannot pay them back was dumb on the Dems part had to be some repubs push for it also as Majority rules and this happened when the republicans were in control of the house and senate, correct me if I am wrong on that one. What is wrong with helping others in time of need? Is that not what Christians preach? After all the republican party has been the true christian party or so they say. I am one democrat that belives that you help people when they are down, but you also need to help them help theirselves. I am a firm beliver in time limits for food benifits and welfare, Clinton mandated a limit on welfare so now no one can draw over 1 yr. Food stamps need imroved on. Yes I am a democrat, a Moderate one, I belive in owning guns and I will fight my party about that and have called my DEMOCRAT Reps and voiced that. We need to quite the dem repub bias stuff and become AMERICANS again. It is up to the people to make a change and a difference. The trickle down theroy was a good idea butwhen the seive is plugged up by excess greed it does not trickle down it just stay in the seive.

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    Re: Question for the Obama Voters

    Bobby,
    I sure don't have the answers just opinions from a guy that works everyday and pays his bills on time. I am a Christian which makes me not perfect and thats the reason I became a Christian because I felt there had to be more to life than what we see. I was raised with a Baptist dad and Budhist Mom so now you know why I'm kinda off center sometimes!LOL. I get the feeling that the gubment wants more of my hard earned money and that ticks me off. My hats off to you because if I had to see what you see in the abuses of our system I would blow a gasket for sure! It's hard enough just hearing about it but seeing it first hand? That takes a special person. Have a good one my friend.

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    Re: Question for the Obama Voters

    This is where our representatives step in and demand federal funding for federal mandates. I really believe that the federal government should stay out of our schools. Any increase in government means more control over the people. The people should take their schools back and teachers wages should be raised. Name another job that requires a masters degree and gets paid less. The real source of our problems in America are the continuously declining values. Parents are letting their kids be babysat by the TV and video games. But that's another subject. I fear that when the democrats like Pelosi and Obama get control the whole country will go to hell in a handbasket just like California.

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    Re: Question for the Obama Voters

    Check the polls on Military.com and this will tell you what our servicemembers are thinking.

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    Re: Question for the Obama Voters

    [QUOTE=Col Forbin;341952]He has much more realistic views on Education reform. NCLB is up for reauthorization next year, and McCain wants to keep it the same - I guess he is not aware it is seriously flawed initiative.

    Unfortunately, that's not true. McCain said that it was flawed and needed reform. Check your references.

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    Re: Question for the Obama Voters

    lets just sum up this election....you have two choices....Socialism or Capitalism....choose.

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    Re: Question for the Obama Voters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Col Forbin View Post
    He has much more realistic views on Education reform. NCLB is up for reauthorization next year, and McCain wants to keep it the same - I guess he is not aware it is seriously flawed initiative.

    Unfortunately, that's not true. McCain said that it was flawed and needed reform. Check your references.
    I know what he said. Now check his proposal for how he plans to change it. It is not much different than the current plan. What he says and what he does are often not the same.

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    Thanks Don, Yet it is hard doing this as some of the things are against my moral and social belives. That is why I love to fish, it takes me away from all of this, just me and nature. It is funny how a little fish, any fish can take your mind off the bigger problems in life. I am more in tune spirtually when out on the water or in the woods than anywhere I have found, even church. It makes me relize what we have and how we take it for granted. I was raised in rural America, and have also lived in the big citys, but I have never strayed far from my roots, wading creeks and just wandering around the woods,helped shape me into the person I am today, as nature has a way of humbling you.

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    Re: Question for the Obama Voters

    [QUOTE=Col Forbin;342326]
    Quote Originally Posted by RICHYD4U View Post

    I know what he said. Now check his proposal for how he plans to change it. It is not much different than the current plan. What he says and what he does are often not the same.
    We all know how that goes...what a candidate says (like not raising taxes on 90% of Americans)...and what a cadidate will actually do (raise taxes on everyone). Seen it before, haven't we? You have to come up with 1 1/4 trillion dollars in new spending somehow. Another thing....Obama is going to let the Bush tax cuts expire...doesn't that constitute a tax raise for us all? Interesting........

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