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Mkay...let's chat a second. Of course people are chumming for arguments, that's what er..'occasionally' happens here. Part of the fun. Unfortunately some of us aren't as open minded as yourself, or maybe we just figger you're using a 2 headed coin, whatever.Originally Posted by kygorski
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Man this whole educational problem approach is way off in my opinion. I think we all agree that just throwing money at it won't fix the problem. I also think we all agree that the problem starts at home and until we get these lazy worthless excuse for parents off their potato chip, pie eating, Oprah lovin' butts this will always be a problem. You want top notch teachers? Pay top notch wages, don't give it to them make them prove they are worthy. I have heard and seen several teachers that just cruise their way through out educational system.
Do teachers go through a recertification program each year? If not they should and if they don't pass they don't teach. Thats how we treat Nurses and several other professions and if we want teachers to be on their game then make them play with the proper mental tools.
We can't fix the kids! It's the parents or lack of and the system itself.
Whew! I feel better.hagd
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I love this topic, I can talk about this all day. To be honest, in 9 years in public education I have only been around 2 or 3 teachers that were incompetent - one never finished an entire year, the others were not back the next year. The problems is not getting rid of bad teachers - it is finding and keeping good ones. Also, just like in government a school is only as successful as it's leader. Bad administrators are the one's that keep around the bad teachers. If you want to make changes in schools it starts at the administrative level. All districts in the state of Ky have set salary schedules - every teacher with the same ammount of experience and same level of education are paid exactly the same.Man this whole educational problem approach is way off in my opinion. I think we all agree that just throwing money at it won't fix the problem. I also think we all agree that the problem starts at home and until we get these lazy worthless excuse for parents off their potato chip, pie eating, Oprah lovin' butts this will always be a problem. You want top notch teachers? Pay top notch wages, don't give it to them make them prove they are worthy. I have heard and seen several teachers that just cruise their way through out educational system.
Do teachers go through a recertification program each year? If not they should and if they don't pass they don't teach. Thats how we treat Nurses and several other professions and if we want teachers to be on their game then make them play with the proper mental tools.
We can't fix the kids! It's the parents or lack of and the system itself.
Whew! I feel better.
No, teachers are not required to go through a re-certification process yearly. A good administrator will formally evaluate each teacher on a yearly basis regaurdless of tenure. Tenure just ensures you will have a job as long as your position is not cut - it does not protect against dismissal in any way, shape or form.
Most teacher do it beacuase they love it. I have, one (nearly two) Masters, a certification for administration/principal for all levels, as well as district level administration certification in administration of special education programs. I turn down, or pass up an administrative job yearly (just did a couple of weeks ago), because I love the classroom. However, with two kids on the way, the extra money offered in the other positions may become more convincing in the near future. There will come a time with me, just as with all successful classroom teachers, that the money will out weigh the love of it.
Voucher's for school choice, only hurts the problem. It still does nothing to motivate successful teachers - their pay does not change, but the size of the classrooms will. For example you have a failing school, those students are given vouchers to attend other local schools that are successful. How does that help the failing school? It doesn't. How does that help the successful school - it Doesn't, it actually creates a potential for that school to fail. Rapidly raise attendance, schools will be required to quickly hire new faculty to compensate for the growth, and no additional funding will be given to the new schools other than the traditional federal SEEK formula which allots funds based on enrollment. This is a formula to sustain the educational performance, not to create new programs to benefit such a large percentage of enrollment increase. The Voucher system cannot exist under a government funded program, only if all schools were privately funded. If that were the case, then performance cannot be adequately assessed at the government level. Vouchers are the worst possible scenario of education reform.
I agree Don, the family structure plays a major role in the decline of education. Let's look at McCain's Voucher plan. You have mentioned before that you pay for your child to attend a private school, because you agree and approve of the quality of education they provide your child. Where do you think students with vouchers from failing schools will attend. Private schools are the schools that will be targeted with vouchers. Now it has become a public institution, and will eventually operate and perform just as the surrounding public schools. The only difference is your tuition will not disappear, it will still be considered a "private" school that you voluntarily chose to send your child to. You will have a choice to continue to pay to send your child to a now "public" school and pay, or send your child to your local district school. The Voucher system will never work, and I don't see how McCain supports this.
Last edited by Col Forbin; 10-16-2008 at 01:32 PM.
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