The Great President Bush

[RoadToad]

President Bush has served as president of our country during it's most difficult times.

This is the only part of this post I really disagree with. I agree that President Bush gets bashed a lot more than he should, but this country's "most difficult times" so far are NOT, IMHO, the present. WWII and the Great Depression would be number one and two on my list. On second thought, put the Civil War on top. What we're going through now is a trifle compared to any of those three. We lost 53,000 in Vietnam. Does anything happening today compare to that? Not that any great president got us out of there, but I would call that a more "difficult time" than any of Bush's presidency. I might not quibble with calling him "good," but when you compare what he's done to what others accomplished, I just don't see how you can justify calling him a "great" president. Personally, I think he's been mediocre at best.

And BTW, Richard Nixon damaged the reputation of the presidency a heckuva lot more than Clinton ever did.

[mhall]

Great post Tom, very well put and true. One other thing these swinging &ic! liberals can't admit is we have NOT been attacked since 9/11. I guess the radical MUSLIMS quit trying, lol.

[Col Forbin]

Great post Tom, very well put and true. One other thing these swinging &ic! liberals can't admit is we have NOT been attacked since 9/11. I guess the radical MUSLIMS quit trying, lol.

I don't recall getting attacked that often prior to 9/11. I think that is a lame reason to call him a great or even good president. He was president during the worst attack in history, if you credit him for not being attacked after 9/11, then by that reasoning - he should get the credit for being attacked. I am not saying it his fault, only that your logic behind that argument is flawed.

President Clinton screwed up on a personal level. But on a professional level he was and still is respected around the world as a great leader.

I will go as far to agree that he has been a mediocre president. But considering the position and the responsibilities that go along with it, anything less than good is a failure.

[mhall]

I don't recall getting attacked that often prior to 9/11. I think that is a lame reason to call him a great or even good president. He was president during the worst attack in history, if you credit him for not being attacked after 9/11, then by that reasoning - he should get the credit for being attacked. I am not saying it his fault, only that your logic behind that argument is flawed.

President Clinton screwed up on a personal level. But on a professional level he was and still is respected around the world as a great leader.

I will go as far to agree that he has been a mediocre president. But considering the position and the responsibilities that go along with it, anything less than good is a failure.

Col it was your beloved Bill ''Pants around his ankles'' Clinton that is to blame for 9/11. He had Bin Laden and let him go. Also there are tapes you can see where Oliver North warned about Bin Laden and how dangerous he was and your stupid idiot Al Gore laughed at him and made jokes. Oliver wanted to go whack the guy with an assasin team but OH NO you can't do that, that would be against everything you LIBS stand for. If you are even hinting that 9/11 was Bush's fault you my friend are well, I won't say. I'm done talking to you Col because I'm not politically correct like Devil's Horse and I'm fixin to loose my cool with you and tell you what I really think so I'll shut up now. Oh wait, I can here know1 getting ready to step in and warn me about personal attacks, lol.

[Col Forbin]

Col it was your beloved Bill ''Pants around his ankles'' Clinton that is to blame for 9/11. He had Bin Laden and let him go. Also there are tapes you can see where Oliver North warned about Bin Laden and how dangerous he was and your stupid idiot Al Gore laughed at him and made jokes. Oliver wanted to go whack the guy with an assasin team but OH NO you can't do that, that would be against everything you LIBS stand for. If you are even hinting that 9/11 was Bush's fault you my friend are well, I won't say. I'm done talking to you Col because I'm not politically correct like Devil's Horse and I'm fixin to loose my cool with you and tell you what I really think so I'll shut up now. Oh wait, I can here know1 getting ready to step in and warn me about personal attacks, lol.

Take it easy. I never said it was Bush's fault. ALl I said if you are using the arguement that he is good because there have been no more attacks while he was in office - it is simple logic that the same would be true that he is to blame because the attack happened while he was in office. I am not laying blame, I am just saying by logical deduction the argument could go both ways. Many factors went into the attack, as well as what went into the raising of national security. Yes, the Bush administration did increase National security. But he had no choice, and any administration would have done that. The lack of something happening "attacks" do not make him great. I am sure if a democrat president had been in office during the last eight years, every single one of you would be in here bashing that administration for the same actions as the current one you are praising.

If he (Bush) was so great, why does McCain not have him supporting him at his rallies. McCain, and the rest of the GOP, want to distance themself from Bush as much as possible. This is his own party. Doesn't sound like the GOP agree with you all that Bush was a great, or even good president. Both parties are campaigning on Change/Reform - there is a reason for that.

[RICHYD4U]

I don't recall getting attacked that often prior to 9/11. I think that is a lame reason to call him a great or even good president. He was president during the worst attack in history, if you credit him for not being attacked after 9/11, then by that reasoning - he should get the credit for being attacked. I am not saying it his fault, only that your logic behind that argument is flawed.

President Clinton screwed up on a personal level. But on a professional level he was and still is respected around the world as a great leader.

I will go as far to agree that he has been a mediocre president. But considering the position and the responsibilities that go along with it, anything less than good is a failure.

LOL! President Clinton...a respected, great leader! That's good stuff! Let's just imagine for a second that 9/11 happened with Clinton in office....(which isn't a stretch, since Osama and his followers had been planning this along with all the other attacks they carried out during Clinton's productive years as president).....could you even imagine where we would be now! I can guarantee you this....we would have been attacked again and again....there would have been no pursuit of terrorists, no interegations, no monitoring....we would have been sitting ducks! At least Bush did something to keep our country safe....for that, he has my praise.

[apb]

LOL! President Clinton...a respected, great leader! That's good stuff! Let's just imagine for a second that 9/11 happened with Clinton in office....(which isn't a stretch, since Osama and his followers had been planning this along with all the other attacks they carried out during Clinton's productive years as president).....could you even imagine where we would be now! I can guarantee you this....we would have been attacked again and again....there would have been no pursuit of terrorists, no interegations, no monitoring....we would have been sitting ducks! At least Bush did something to keep our country safe....for that, he has my praise.

I seem to remember a missle attack ordered by Clinton. I also remember the repubs claiming it was all to get people's attention away from Monica. Seems they put politics before country, again. After all, the leading repub gunning for Clinton (Gingrich) was having his own affair while he went after Clinton for lying about his affair. Face it, any more, both parties ****. Vote them all out in this election.

Andrew

[shawnrd81]

It was enough reason for me that they were shooting at our pilots on a daily basis in the no-fly zone. That should be enough.

I just got onr thing to say about that, Would'nt we have done the same it is a NO FLY ZONE just like we had right after 9/11 and they told us to watch the sky and shoot down any planes in the air.

The President has done OK at best but he has been trying to make it up.
But that is like saying sorry i killed your son here is some money that will make it ok.

[roadrunner]

Col Forbin you said there were not many attacks before 911 well not on our soil but we had many attacks during the Clinton administration and every one he came on TV and promised justice and did nothing. As far as our standings in the foreign countries I for one do not care I am sick and tired of being the good guy while every third world nation wants to kick us around. I will assure when there is a national disaster in any of these regions we will become relevant enough that they will take our extreme generosity. We have also seen leadership changes in France and Germany which has improved our relations with them we also have seen dramatic improvement in Libya. We also have a great chance to set up a democratic country in Iraq and this will put a great deal of pressure on North Korea, Iran, SyriaAs for the war we did go in for two reasons WMD and the United Nations had become so irrelevant that dictators were getting by with murder and genocide I for one am glad Bush drew the line in the sand and said we are not going to allow this bullying any more. What we did not expect was after we did this al-Qaida did us a favor by leaving Pakistan where we could not go and came to us.

[Col Forbin]

Geo - I love this country, and I think you are foolish for saying I don't love it. My only point is Bush was not a very good president, and you conservatives want to argue with me as well as the majority of the GOP (your own party) that he was some great world leader - and the only evidence you or anyone is giving is that "we haven't been attacked". I was just providing a flip side to the argument you presented, but apparently you are incapable of seeing anything outside of your own views as being acceptable. Attack me personally, I don't care, but say I hate this country you are wrong. Your views are not the only views in the world.

You and several others on here have just proven that true conservatives are incapable of debating issues without getting your panties in a wad. You don't discuss the issues you just say if I don't see things exactly your way, I am wrong.

[Col Forbin]

Geo - I love this country, and I think you are foolish for saying I don't love it. My only point is Bush was not a very good president, and you conservatives want to argue with me as well as the majority of the GOP (your own party) that he was some great world leader - and the only evidence you or anyone is giving is that "we haven't been attacked". I was just providing a flip side to the argument you presented, but apparently you are incapable of seeing anything outside of your own views as being acceptable. Attack me personally, I don't care, but say I hate this country you are wrong. Your views are not the only views in the world.

You and several others on here have just proven that true conservatives are incapable of debating issues without getting your panties in a wad. You don't discuss the issues you just say if I don't see things exactly your way, I am wrong.

Oh Yes... and Thanks William Jefferson Clinton from saving our economy from the grasps of another recession brought on by the first Bush Administration.

[Tom523]

I believe that in debating is me stating my views on individual subjects and why I have those views and you reciprocate. Sometimes these discussions can get frustrating when facts are not introduced to back up the respective speaker. When individuals present information as fact, that information has to come from a reliable source. The only way to do this would be to cite the source. This is a discussion board and I would think it would be ridiculous to do that. One thing is for sure, "People are passionate about politics". I have to commend everyone on here for acting civilized and stating their views in a civilized manner. This is an impersonal discussion format and I doubt that people are committing personal attacks against anyone. There may be attacks but they are against your ideas and views that you post. I hope no one takes this personally. It's good healthy discussion. BTW, I'm a life long Independent but I vote according to the information I have at hand and how the candidates proposed actions will affect me and my country.