Quote Originally Posted by GeoFisher View Post
I'd love to have a LEGITIMATE 3rd party candidate.......the only one that we've had that had a SERIOUS chance to make a difference caused Bill, slick willy, "keep your pants on" Clinton.......

No, I'd rather vote for the party that meets MOST of my requirements, rather than the party that MEETS hardly ANY of my requirements.

We will fill the fallout of the Obama administration for MANY years to come.

MSGMILLS.....I value your opinion, and you're one of the most balanced members of this board......but I have to disagree with bailing out the automotive industry........We CANNOT continue to pay the wages we do and expect them to be profitable.........THE UAW has DESTROYED the autoworker, not helped them.

Sorry, but I've seen it time and again.

One example.......and I KNOW for a FACT, and can post those facts......

Delphi in Kokomo, Indiana.........they had 5000 jobs........The company was FAILING, and the UAW refused to give 1 inch on the benefit changes requested of the company........and we're NOT talking a lot of give.

Details:

* The Company wanted to change prescription copays from 5 to 15 dollars.

* The Company wanted to change family coverage and raise premiums 15%, or about 15 bucks a month.

* The Company wanted to change doctor visit copays from 20 to 40 dollars. Again, NOT MUCH.

* The Company wanted to REQUIRE all care to be IN NETWORK to be covered 100% otherwise it would be covered at 80 %,

These changes would have SAVED enough money to GUARANTEE a contract for 5 years with 3% cost of living increases EVERY YEAR, and would have LOCKED in their Medical costs for 5 years.........I'd LOVE THAT TYPE OF GUARANTEE.

Look......these are NOT that bad, but the UAW REFUSED to play the game, and went on strike for 8 months.......causing Delphi to close their doors.......

I bet every **** one of those UAW members would wish the UAW would go to HELL. I suspect they are having a HARD time finding decent jobs, decent wages, decent health coverage, etc, etc...........ALL things the UAW was UNWILLING to negotiate.


This is happening all over the place.........the UAW is the SCOURGE of the earth.

THEY are RUINING the workforce.......

Sorry,

Geo
What ever happened to LarryG? He was a big union man I would love to hear his side of this.