Hard to Make this stuff up...........

[Tim_T]

Does it count if he is only half black? What color is his mom? If a really black skinned African-American was running as a republican and the only half black Obama was running as a democrat, would the African-Americans vote for the republican because he was more black than the democrat? The whole thing is pretty stupid if you think about it.

[GeoFisher]

Does it count if he is only half black? What color is his mom? If a really black skinned African-American was running as a republican and the only half black Obama was running as a democrat, would the African-Americans vote for the republican because he was more black than the democrat? The whole thing is pretty stupid if you think about it.

If you had a black republican and a black democrat running in the same presidential election, it would be the MOST lopsided race in the HISTORY of elections .........

OK.....I'm kind of half joking here.......


Later,

Geo

[MsgMills]

Does it count if he is only half black? What color is his mom? If a really black skinned African-American was running as a republican and the only half black Obama was running as a democrat, would the African-Americans vote for the republican because he was more black than the democrat? The whole thing is pretty stupid if you think about it.

Think about it people...No African-American could ever be President of the United States, this Africa-American would be a immigrant in this country and [LEFT][COLOR=green][FONT=serif]foreign[/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT] born......A person has to be a True US born Citizen in order to hold the Office as US President.......

But Yes a " BLACK " American born citizen can become President...If were going to stop all the Racial tension in this day and age. Then let's start realizing just who all these people are and what Nationality they really are.

If your born in America, then your an American, no matter if your white, black, yellow, Asian or whatever.....I don't go around saying I'm Irish-German-Cherokee Indian-American....I'm an American, cause I was born in America....Plain and simple people......

[Tim_T]

..I don't go around saying I'm Irish-German-Cherokee Indian-American....I'm an American, cause I was born in America....Plain and simple people......

Oh my gosh Clyde, we might be kinfolk LOL. You just described my heritage to a tee.

[psprowler]

I don't think those cards should ever be taken out of the deck. I agree, we can and should move forward, but I don't think it ever will, nor should be forgotten. Some things in history were so awful and unjust that they should never be forgotten. The law that banned segregation was one of the first steps in the movement towards racial equality. It was easy to change a law, however, to change perceptions, thoughts and actions of individuals is much more difficult and is a process that is still continuing today. Yes, things are much better today, than they were even when you and I were kids. I really think that Obama being elected was a giant step in proving that America is the land of opportunity for all.

I agree that they should never be forgotten, it was heinous. But we should be able to get past the point where blacks that were not even alive in 54' can throw that out there and say they are being held back.

And Tim T I'll agree with you on this one. How does someone who is half black half white automatically become the first black person ever elected? Isn't he just as much white as he is black by default? I'll never understand that. And what happens when a black man with two black parents gets elected president? Will there be a debate over who really was the first black person elected?

[DJD]

And Tim T I'll agree with you on this one. How does someone who is half black half white automatically become the first black person ever elected? Isn't he just as much white as he is black by default? I'll never understand that. And what happens when a black man with two black parents gets elected president? Will there be a debate over who really was the first black person elected?

The same reason Tiger Woods is the first black man in a white sport (heard that too many times on t.v. and radio to claim that one). The half of him that is Asian is cast aside by most people, why? It doesn't fit into that government, corporate or social box that they want anyone with black skin to be in. There is a HUGE guilt trip on this country in favor of anyone who is black or has black skin. Happens everyday.

Yep if a black man from black parents ever gets into office Barry will be cast aside as a stepping stone that allowed the frist "true" black man in office. Think about something else that's just as stupid....Clinton was billed by many as the first black president? So it will be Clinton, Barry and then whoever?

I will say this and that is Barry should be 100% accepted by the blacks in this country because he is the first black skinned man who is living proof that you can be what you want to be. Take away all the politics and I can say I'm proud that we as a country can hit this milestone.(I just don't like his political views or background). Sad to say but Jesse Jackson and anyone of his cronies have tried to use hate and racism to keep their voice alive for how many years? Maybe that's another plus from Barry being the Pres. elect....J.J. will go away and take Al Sharpton and Louis F. with ya!!

[pontooner]

I don't buy that for a second. Here in rural Western Ky, racism is not even close to being extinct. I heard it daily leading up to the election - "there is no way I can vote for a ......." so they pulled the lever for McCain. I just bite my tongue and go on. Some people are just ignorant and stuck in the past. So to think racism against blacks is a thing of the past is wrong - ignoring and denying the problem doesn't make it go away. I am sure plenty of whites threw their vote McCains way based on race.

Col your wasting your time trying to explain this to them. I threw percentages after percentages at them to show how off base it was and it just goes in one ear and out the other but here I'll try again.

The black vote has always went to the Democratic ticket, I also realize why but now the black democratic vote going for Obama is being deemed as racist because he is black.

Exit polls for this elction show Obama received 95% of the black vote and 43% of the white vote, while in 2004 John Kerry received 88% of the black vote and 41% of the white vote. That is a 7% increase from 2004 so it would only take a few out of a hundred of the white vote to be cast against him because he's black to almost balance things out.

Also the numbers break down like this.

In 2004 77% of the total voters were white and 11% was African American.

In 2008 74% of the total voters were white and 13% was African American.

Links to the polling data

2004
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pag.../epolls.0.html

2008
http://abcnews.go.com/pollingunit/exitpolls

[Dave Stewart]

1. We already have a civilian National Security Force...it's called the FBI, ATF and Fed Marshalls.

2. U.S. military personnel are prohibited from using force against U.S. citizens by Title 18 USC Sec 1385 (posse comitodus). This is why we have state militia's (National Guard) so that a trained military organization is available in the event a state needs this type organization to use force against U.S. citizens. The authority to use National Guard troops in events that call for use of force against U.S. citizens rests with each individual governor. The President does have the power to federalize the National Guard, but once this happens, they cannot be used as a force against U.S. citizens.

Example: My last 14 years on active duty was with the Ky ARNG. My active duty orders were federal, thus whenever there was a riot, looting etc event that called for National Guard troops to provide security etc....I was not allowed to be physically involved in the operations because I was for all purposes on active duty orders with the U.S. Army. I could direct operations (which was one of my jobs) but I could not be physically involved on the scene.

Now, if a civilian National Security Force as mentioned being equipped, trained and armed at the level of the U.S. military were formed...there would be no possible reason for this other than to get around the law that prohibits U.S. federal troops to engage with U. S. citizens.

In my opinion, any force such as this would be a direct threat to the rights of all U.S. citizens to be protected from the Executive Branch (President) being able to apply military rule over them without a change to the U.S. laws that protect us from such an act.

As far as I am concerned...it is of my opinion that we have totally over reacted to the terrorist threat to the point we have already lost some of our freedom in the name of homeland security. There has to be a balance somewhere, where we as a free society will be at some risk if we are to remain a free society. Somewhere along the line, we as a nation, will have to change our views of how we are going to deal with nations that sponsor and harbor terrorists. Our biggest mistake in Iraq was not going there and destroying their country...our mistake was staying there. Leaving the country in shambles would have sent a message to other folks sponsoring and harboring terrorists that you will go down hard if you mess with the U.S. I could care less about the "innocent" civilians there....if they wanted freedom from oppression they had 20 million people that could have risen up as our fore fathers did and pay the price to gain it.

If forming a quasi military CIVILIAN force to strip me and my fellow americans of more of our freedoms is PROGRESS...then it is PROGRESS in the wrong direction for a democracy. And if you or anyone else is driving a truck trying to run over me and my right to LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS (as long as I am not infringing on someone else's right's) in what you call the name of PROGRESS, be prepared to meet your maker...I will take you out in a heartbeat.

[Tim_T]

Well said Dave. The entire civilian security force is concerning to me. The first thing that comes to mind is this will be the people who will be used to confiscate guns. I guess I will be standing there with my evil "black" rifle.

[MrSplitshot]

Son!

WHAT DAVE SAID.

I agree about 157.3%.

[thebassman30]

Right on Dave.