fishin & hunting ?

[smuckey41]

just ben thinking about some things about whats the diffrence between hunting and fishin. most of us are both fisherman and hunters, but what i dont under stand why people kill these animals. dont get me wrong i like deer meat and will eat it just cant kill one. but on the other hand most of us on here that fish are looking to manage and keep a good population of fish so we can go back and catch that fish again when it is bigger or if it is a trophy fish get a picture measurement and then put it back in the water. so if you want a trophy on the wall you can get a replica made of your catch so you have a trophy and you manage to keep a fish with good genes to reproduce. now if you kill a big buck or doe you have a trophy to go on the wall and you have meat to eat but what about the dear being able to reproduce so or kids can have a chance at a trophy buck or doe. like they do for fish. maybe for those who are out for the thrill of the trophy hunt could use some type of tranqualizer to knock the dear out for a couple hours so you can still get that thrill of the hunt and manage a good population of dear. now i know that people need to hunt to eat i understand. but if you can get by with out killing a dear to eat dont you think there can be a diffrent way then killing the dear.

like i said i dont hunt just wanted to see what you guys think about this or if anybody else fills the same about this that actualey hunt.

thanks
chuck

[BGO]

You are kidding right! I have hunted and fished for the last 45 years or so. You my friend sound like someone from PETA. I'm going to keep this real simple. People hunt for whatever drives them to do it. Be it the thrill of the hunt and outdoor experience or for the food. One other thing you seem to be overlooking is population control!!!

[greenriverman1]

My sister-in-law hit a deer yesterday morning on the way into work. People often get killed in car wreaks due to deer.

I love watching deer they are a wonderful animal and should not all be killed out but their has to be population control!

I do not think one should kill a deer just for a trophy. If the deer is not going to be eaten do not kill it!

DA

[troutcrazy]

Exactly BGO. Population control is necessary and I'm glad to help. Besides there are tons of hunters that help the gene pool by passing on smaller deer. On the farm I hunt there is a 8 point limit...anything less you gotta let it go, and hopefully next year he'll be bigger. I hunt for several reasons, the fellowship of other hunters (we always go to the cabin the night before and hang out and then eat breakfast after our morning hunt), the preparation is always exciting, the enjoyment of getting out before the sun comes up and listening to the noise of nature. And if I'm lucky enough to get one I love the meat! It's good and good for you. Don't feel too bad for those deer chuck...it's either I kill 'em or that shiney SUV that rounds the corner and gets a front end full of antlers.

[GeoFisher]

Population control is necessary and I'm glad to help.........On the farm I hunt there is a 8 point limit...anything less you gotta let it go, and hopefully next year he'll be bigger.

Hey Trout........Killing only 8 pointers or BIGGER......does that really help with population control, or do you guys assume that hunters around the perimeter of the farm are weeding out enough smaller deer to be effective.

Do you guys also take does....

I actually like the idea of a "Trophy" farm, but wonder if you're hurting the farm rather than actually helping it.........

Just asking.

BTW........I've not hunted in years and could be completely full of CRAP , but I wanted to ask anyways.

Later,

Geo

[smuckey41]

My sister-in-law hit a deer yesterday morning on the way into work. People often get killed in car wreaks due to deer.

I love watching deer they are a wonderful animal and should not all be killed out but their has to be population control!

I do not think one should kill a deer just for a trophy. If the deer is not going to be eaten do not kill it!

DA

i my self have ben hit by two deer in the past 3 years one was when i was on my way to a tournament wile pulling my boat so i know first hand about deer's and automobiles so i under stand and the deer"s actualey jumped into me at the last minute with no reaction time other then what the(#$%*) just happend. and one of those coast me $5,400 in damege. i dont need to hunt i just have to go drive. and the other dented my trailer and chiped a couple things could have ben wore. that deer was decapatated. he hit my driver side mirror then hit the wind shield of my boat and broke three of my good rods. so it ant like i love these things they have coast me alot of money.

chuck

[mhall]

I have trophy managed a farm for deer and turkey for 15 years now.
This includes keeping people safe, getting liability and permission slips signed and in the possession of the hunters and a copy for the land owner to protect him and her.
I take care of the property, mow, weedeat, bushhog, and the list is endless.
The farm has crops and they are devistated every year by deer and turkey to a large sum sometimes.

My daughter last year had a bad accident and totaled her car, luckily her and the girl with her were not hurt. One of her senior classmates at Oldham County High was not so lucky when she lost her life on I-71 due to hitting and avoiding a deer.
I've hunted all my life, killed my first squirrel's and rabbits when I was 6 and 7 with my dad. I went hunting in the woods by Myself with a 410 shotgun for squirrels when I was 9 years old. I have never shot game that I had not planned on eating and or giving to someone that was going to eat it.
We trophy manage our farm, what this means is we take only keeper bucks and let the young immature bucks live in order to gain maturity. We shoot and eat and donate to Kentucky Harvest LOTS of doe's. This thins the herd and keeps a nice balance of buck to doe ratio which creates a better hunting evironment.
Deer population and other species as well here in Ky are exploding to dangerous levels in many areas. Hunting is a necessary practice to control animal populations especially for whitetail deer. There are no natural predators of deer in Kentucky other than coyotes and they are really not a threat what so ever to a healthy adult deer. They get a few fawns but not as many as alot of people think.
Your post did have a little Peta sound to it. I don't think you meant it that way, but this is a sensitive area for alot of folks.

[mhall]

Geo, read my post that is how to run a trophy managed farm. And yes to answer your question, you must shoot lot's of doe's for this to be successful. Also George it really helps when the surrounding properties practice the same thing sometimes easier said than done, lol.


We've taken 11 deer so far this year and our numbers are down. Has been a very windy deer season this year to hunt, makes it tough sometimes.

[smuckey41]

You are kidding right! I have hunted and fished for the last 45 years or so. You my friend sound like someone from PETA. I'm going to keep this real simple. People hunt for whatever drives them to do it. Be it the thrill of the hunt and outdoor experience or for the food. One other thing you seem to be overlooking is population control!!!

that herts saying i sound like i am from peta. if that was the case i wold be a vegaterion and i under stand population control. ant there a thing where a size limit could go in effect. like they do on fish. or even you can kill a certin size range anything smaller and bigger gets let go. so two things happen you still get to kill wich helps population and you are also leting the big breaders go for better gene deers. like i said i have hunted in the past and have killed birds, rabbit wich is real good eating, and even fish. but now i try to save as much as possable just for the love of nature. no hard feelings

chuck

[bereabasser]

I have trophy managed a farm for deer and turkey for 15 years now.
This includes keeping people safe, getting liability and permission slips signed and in the possession of the hunters and a copy for the land owner to protect him and her.
I take care of the property, mow, weedeat, bushhog, and the list is endless.
The farm has crops and they are devistated every year by deer and turkey to a large sum sometimes.

My daughter last year had a bad accident and totaled her car, luckily her and the girl with her were not hurt. One of her senior classmates at Oldham County High was not so lucky when she lost her life on I-71 due to hitting and avoiding a deer.
I've hunted all my life, killed my first squirrel's and rabbits when I was 6 and 7 with my dad. I went hunting in the woods by Myself with a 410 shotgun for squirrels when I was 9 years old. I have never shot game that I had not planned on eating and or giving to someone that was going to eat it.
We trophy manage our farm, what this means is we take only keeper bucks and let the young immature bucks live in order to gain maturity. We shoot and eat and donate to Kentucky Harvest LOTS of doe's. This thins the herd and keeps a nice balance of buck to doe ratio which creates a better hunting evironment.
Deer population and other species as well here in Ky are exploding to dangerous levels in many areas. Hunting is a necessary practice to control animal populations especially for whitetail deer. There are no natural predators of deer in Kentucky other than coyotes and they are really not a threat what so ever to a healthy adult deer. They get a few fawns but not as many as alot of people think.
Your post did have a little Peta sound to it. I don't think you meant it that way, but this is a sensitive area for alot of folks.

wow...other than the part were your daughter had the accident,you pretty much took every word right out of my mouth...weve been managing our farm for about 6 years now and its really starting to pay off,our club(my family)have taken 8 deer this year total and 6 of those were does,so we do our part in thinning that herd also...this year has been really tough though

[JD7.62]

that herts saying i sound like i am from peta. if that was the case i wold be a vegaterion and i under stand population control. ant there a thing where a size limit could go in effect. like they do on fish. or even you can kill a certin size range anything smaller and bigger gets let go. so two things happen you still get to kill wich helps population and you are also leting the big breaders go for better gene deers. like i said i have hunted in the past and have killed birds, rabbit wich is real good eating, and even fish. but now i try to save as much as possable just for the love of nature. no hard feelings

chuck

Deer arent like fish. Deer are short lived animals that have the potential to produce X number of offspring from the day its mature to the day it dies. Fish on the other hand will produce, for the most part, more offspring the bigger/older they get. So, in other words, killing a big old doe or buck will have the same effect on the population as killing a younger but still mature deer since the younger deer will still have just as many offspring as the older doe/buck in the same time span. Most fish also take much longer then deer to mature so again its shown that its better for a fish's population to release a large 7 year old sow of a bass whose offspring from two seasons ago still havnt matured where as taking that old 5 year old doe whose offspring from this season will be reproducing next season is ok.

Im heading down to Bama to do some hunting this weekend, sadly our land is sorrounded by a poorly managed hunting club so when we let those 1.5-2year olds walk, we rarely if ever see them the next season. In the last five years weve only seen one decent buck on our property, its makes me sick.

Mhall, youre right about their population, Im in OldhamCo too, and driving down 71 at night in October/November is down right dangerous! They say its not IF you hit a deer but WHEN. Down in Alabama we have TONS of deer but they just dont compare to some of the monsters Ive seen around here. Ive even seen deer in **** near downtown Lousiville on my way to work! A couple weeks ago a 6-point walked right in front of me on river road less then a quarter mile for that stop light liquor store!

[Fishin is life]

I'm a fisherman. I've never been a hunter and never will be. I tend to agree more with what the hunters are saying. We fisherman get the thrill of that big catch just the same as they do seeing that big buck walk out for a shot. To let that big buck walk would be like getting that once in a lifetime wall hanger on the line, to the boat and then saying, its too big, and cutting your line. If you want to see what a lack of population control will do come on down to Green River Lake and drive around. There's no hunting and you can actually watch the deer walk towards your vehicle. Thats not what I wanna see driving down the road.