the 10 to 12 times? InvizX is my go to line on the rods that need Fluro for certain fishing situations, I am on KY/Barkley lakes a minimum of 100 days a year flippin' pitchin' and casting my rear off and this line has been the most subtle line I've found in the price range. And Seaguar to my knowledge makes line for many different manufacturers so you may want to see where they make it for and try, the cabelas thing is very interesting.