we used only buzz frogs and big worms and cought fish on both. and we where fishin reel shallow water. got stuck a couple times and we used paddles to move around by pushing them of the bottom. and or best spot was marked by a gator we would throw those buzz frogs and he would work his way over and chase them. when he got in or fishin area we woul cast where we did not wont to fish to lure him over there so we could fish or good spot then he would slowley work his way back over. i even have it on tape the gator chasing the lures prutty cool stuff. man i realy wont to get back down there good times.