hey phil, painter creek is good it has chunck rock, timber, grass. all the good stuff. my favorite is up in the river if you put in at south lick fork go under the bridge and the first big creek on the left is the river. but be careful my brother (bubbabass) lost his prop to a stump. there are some flats with timber everywhere i like to throw a normans dd14 or deep little n color is white with green back. good luck let me know how you do