New Handgun Laws........

[GeoFisher]

Bill number H.R 45 was introduced into the U.S. House of Representatives yesterday by Bobby Rush (D - ILL).
For those who relish the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, this bill will virtually eliminate any freedom in regards to firearms.
Here are the sordid details -

In a new bill introduced the first day of present session of Congress, and with zero coverage from the MSM, H.R. 45 (Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009) targets all gun owners in the U.S.A.

This nefarious bill seeks to strip us all of our Constitutional Rights to possess and bear firearms of any distinction. It requires, within the first two years, that all new guns be registered. The bill goes retroactive after two years. Meaning that two years after the passage of the bill, ALL FIREARMS in a citizen’s possession must be registered, not just those purchased after the bill passes, and this apparently applies to antique firearms as well.

Every five years the firearm owner must go through a complete renewal process for each weapon owned. Failure to comply carries stiff penalties including confiscation of the firearms and jail time (penalties as high as ten years imprisonment in some cases). The bill also authorizes government searches without warrant, the creation of a federal bureaucracy to monitor firearm possession, etc.

The following is a summary of the bill as provided by the Congressional Research Service. If you read the whole bill, you'll find it will effectively preclude the ownership of any firearms by law-abiding people unless directly licensed by the Attorney General :

1/6/2009--Introduced. Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - Amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to prohibit a person from possessing a firearm unless that person has been issued a firearm license under this Act or a state system certified under this Act and such license has not been invalidated or revoked. Prescribes license application, issuance, and renewal requirements.

Prohibits transferring or receiving a qualifying firearm unless the recipient presents a valid firearms license, the license is verified, and the dealer records a tracking authorization number. Prescribes firearms transfer reporting and record keeping requirements. Directs the Attorney General to establish and maintain a federal record of sale system.

Prohibits: (1) transferring a firearm to any person other than a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with national instant criminal background check system requirements, with exceptions; (2) licensed manufacturer or dealer from failing to comply with reporting and record keeping requirements of this Act;
(3) failing to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours; (4) failing to report to the Attorney General an address change within 60 days; (5)
keeping a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammunition for the firearm, knowingly or recklessly disregarding the risk that a child is capable of gaining access, if a child uses the firearm and causes death or serious bodily injury.

Prescribes criminal penalties for violations of firearms provisions covered by this Act. Directs the Attorney General to: (1) establish and maintain a firearm injury information clearinghouse; (2) conduct continuing studies and investigations of firearm-related deaths and injuries; and (3) collect and maintain current production and sales figures of each licensed manufacturer. Authorizes the Attorney General to certify state firearm licensing or record of sale systems.

Like all other threats against our freedoms, we must rise and defeat this bill, slap it down hard.

Yes my friends...........CHANGE is coming.

Later,

Geo

[MrSplitshot]

If anyone wants to read the full text of the bill, it's here:

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...:h45ih.txt.pdf

But I think Geo nailed the big points. I'm afraid this is going to be the first of several attempts to pass more gun control laws. This is basically a reintroduction of a bill that Rush introduced in 2007 and was co-sponsored by Barry Obama's Chief of Staff, Rohm Emanuel. Let's hope that it has the same lack of success in 2009 that it had in 2007...but we'll see.

Send a message to your congressmen and women if you oppose this bill..seriously...do it now.

And you better keep a copy to re-send later when new bills get introduced.

[MrSplitshot]

Go to these websites and find your elected officials. Start in the House of Representatives on this one.

http://www.house.gov

http://www.senate.gov

http://www.whitehouse.gov

[MrSplitshot]

You know, I've read the entire bill...

Basically, it's proposing a similar system as we have in Kentucky for Concealed Carry Licenses. Those of us that have CCDW licenses went through a training course, qualified with a gun, paid all of the monies to instructors, local sheriff, and state police...and were issued a license.

Similar deal here being proposed it seems, on a federal level, but for everyone who even wants to own a gun...regardless of whether you are going to lock it away in the attic or carry it on your hip. Wonder if the Concealed Carry License would also be necessary, or be like an endorsement on a driver's license? I'm assuming the latter, if you want to carry.

Either way, I don't know that it serves to stop criminals from obtaining weapons! I mean, I guess if a criminal wants to walk into Sportsman's Warehouse and buy his weapon of choice for criminal activity it does...but will that really stop him? No. What it WILL do is increase black market street trade of weapons...the dirty birds will still get their guns and good old law abiding citizens like you and me will have a harder time getting them.

I don't necessarily disagree with licensing, similar to having to have a license to drive a car...but I disagree with the results that will come of it.

That's why I oppose. Letter en route to Ben Chandler.

[Tyme2fish]

Letter just sent to my rep in Southern Indiana opposing this bill.

[DJD]

What I read is that because of the tragic situation of Blair Holt this Congressman has decided to fix the problem of law abiding citizens getting handguns? Why not just crucify these people who commit the crimes? Simple you shoot someone and they die....your next. The message will be direct, clear and understood. We won't need 100 pages of drivel that repeats common sense and some nonsense.
The exceptions for now are antiques, gifts, bequest or other means by an indivdual to a parent, child, grandparent or grandchild of the individual. Peace officers, Armed Forces and such. That makes no sense to me and I suspect it was put in there to ease the minds of americans who feel like it's ok to take some action against legal gun owners but not total restriction.
These guys can shine a turd but when you break through the topical layer it's still a turd.
They say a fee of no more than $25. Well I'm aware of how gubment agencies actually interpret that.......it means $25 for now! It means another tax on the books that once present is easier to increase. It means laying the ground work for future restrictions....little by little bit by bit until we are wondering hat happened.
Of course this Bill has verbage of jail time and fines so a law abiding citizen forgets some paperwork, maybe ignorant of the details of a Bill like this or doesn't realize the crimnal background of someone he buys a gun from or sells to and before he can say a word he is in court paying lawyers, fines, jail time and getting a record. Now if your a criminal and do this you more than likely don't pay for your lawyer, knew what you were doing and prolly mean't to do the crime and we as tax payers prolly pay for his court costs.
Good old Democrats thinking for us again.

[DJD]

You know I wonder what the Grand State of Illinois has for a record of gun control and gun crimes? I wonder if maybe this Rush fool should fix his house and then worry about mine. I wonder what the details were of this tragic shooting that seeded this Bill? I wonder why crimes in inner cities and shootings in schools, post offices and gun crimes are always everyones fault except the Parents, School System and other social programs like Welfare? Maybe they should start with uhhh lets see...... if you get money from the gubment you get drug tests, home inspections for guns and drugs and cheating the gubment. Clean all that up and then come after average joe law abiding citizen!!!!
Might seem like rambling on my part but it's no different than what these bozo's do. What does welfare have to do with gun crimes? Prolly nothing or very little but that's my point. What do I and all the law abiding people have to do with gun crimes....you guessed it prolly nothing or very little. These guys can kiss the part of me that never sees sunshine!!!

[Cobra190]

If you have already obtained a CCDW, and you are registered with the Federal Gov. Will you still have to register as an individual or will they just require your weapons to be registered. Still a government "make more money from the honest folks" theme to me. I will send a letter forward since four years ago I applied for a FFL, went through all the steps required, went door to door with all neighbors who's property touched mine, paid all registering monies from city to state to federal. Then going to a hearing here in town to be told I could not recieve it basically because they did not want me to have it. And even then the city council was bothered and mentioned the fact that they could not restrict the amount of guns I owned personally. Makes you wonder who they are going to target first. As usual the most legal will be first in my opinion.

[zx150]

DJD you are right on.

[bassin_bug]

A week ago I was talking with the sporting goods manager in a Walmart store about this very issue. I noticed more than half of the ammunition shelves were empty in the locked area. When I asked him what was going on and explained that I didn't see a a single box of .357 and .38 and certain other ammunition he said, "I think politics has almost stopped our shipments; we keep ordering but nothing is coming in." Then he went on to say that his store had not had one shipment of ammunition since the day of the presidential election back in November. He also told me that he knew of a place that had the ammo and was selling it at a price that is 50% higher than regular price.

If this is part of the "change" Obama has been talking about, we can do without it.

[DJD]

A week ago I was talking with the sporting goods manager in a Walmart store about this very issue. I noticed more than half of the ammunition shelves were empty in the locked area. When I asked him what was going on and explained that I didn't see a a single box of .357 and .38 and certain other ammunition he said, "I think politics has almost stopped our shipments; we keep ordering but nothing is coming in." Then he went on to say that his store had not had one shipment of ammunition since the day of the presidential election back in November. He also told me that he knew of a place that had the ammo and was selling it at a price that is 50% higher than regular price.

If this is part of the "change" Obama has been talking about, we can do without it.

Hey Bug,
The Ammo is starting to roll in at different Walmarts around here but it's mainly .45 ,9mm some .380 and assorted rifle ammo.

[MrSplitshot]

Yep, ammo is finally starting to hit some Wally World shelves. Me and DJD stopped by the Wally in Nicholasville this afternoon and they had plenty of 9mm...and a couple boxes of .380...

I think that speculation, stocking up, hoarding, etc because of fears about what the current administration will do to gun and ammunition laws was the culprit here. Manufacturer's just could not keep up.

Most all of the online ammunition websites that I use (Cheaper than Dirt, Natchez, Midway USA, etc) have been out of nearly everything for awhile. I haven't been able to find a .380 except for sparse shipments coming into Wal-Mart...and that was only because DJD tipped me off that it had arrived and picked up a box for me!

Bought 500 rounds of Remington 9mm and 500 rounds of Remington .45 at ****'s Sporting Goods on a deal a couple of weeks ago...and caught a case of 9mm Blazer on the shelf at Wally last week...have plenty of .38 reloads already...22 seems plentiful in the CCI Mini Mags that I use...so .380 ACP had been the toughest nut to crack.