Thanks for the advice guys. I am pretty sure its not the gear, its just the operator. I have diawa and quantom reels. I'll try the KVD stuff and see if it works. Maybe my standards are little too high. I just hear alot people raving about how good flourocarbon is, but I don't know what all the fuss is about . Yea I can see its great in super clear water. In the spring, I like some good ol' fashion mono. Once again thanks for the advice.