i for one appreciate the fact that alot of the members on here say what they feel rather than beating around the bush or hold back for the sake of someones feelings. i dont get in on the political talks first of all because im not really into talking that subject but also realize that nobody on either side is willing to admit when someone on the otherside is right, its a never ending debate with no winners and alot of opinions. as far as not patting your own back goes, maybe you should because theres not alot of that anymore. i try to yes maam and yes sir to those that are years older than myself. im 34 yrs old with 4 children. i correct my three older boys all the time when they dont show that respect to there elders, hold doors open for someone and so on. its embaressing to me when they dont. if you dont teach kids this they wont learn from anyone else and in most cases they wont pick it up from their buddies.