Well I gotta tell you your both wrong. The derby tournament 90% of the field was in Harrods and I know for a fact the top two finishers were in there. So thats at least 17 pounds and I would be willing to bet that out of the top ten 6 were in the creek. So what i am saying is just keep chunking and winding because the river fish are there yu just have to make multiple casts to one target and slow down.