thanks this is may 4th year and the guys im going with have been going for over 15 years , but weve missed the spawn the last 2 years . i have found a good shed lake by samburg that is 30 to 40 feet deep so if we miss it we go there . last year with 5 boats and a day of fishing we brought back to camp over 600 gills though they are not quite as big.i am from central illinois and the gills here dont get that big i only hope i have enough film in the camera to capture my sons face....lol where r u coming from??