Uh forget what I said earlier Manny does make it look easy.

Aside - I watched the famous Tyson/Buster Douglas fight on ESPN2 last night. When Tyson knocked him down at the end of the 8th round, was Douglas really up by the 10 count? I wasn't on my "tivo" TV so I couldn't rewind. It looks like Tyson got up at about the same point in the count when he got knocked down in the 10th - though he was clearly out of it. If the ref had concluded the 10 count on Buster would Tyson be the shell of his old self that he is today?