I guess Guantanamo isn't so bad after all.

[apb]

In a liberals world everbody talks out their problems and everything is alright, problem solved. In the real world , you can not talk to and trust terrorist groups or the countries that harbor them. ......

Just in case anyone is actually interested in hearing what Obama has really said rather than listen to the usual right wing bullcrap, check out http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/ and read up.

A few things relavent to the current discussion:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/09/03...-and-Pakistan/
So I want the American people to understand that we have a clear and focused goal: to disrupt, dismantle and defeat al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and to prevent their return to either country in the future. That's the goal that must be achieved. That is a cause that could not be more just.

There is an uncompromising core of the Taliban. They must be met with force, and they must be defeated.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Security-and-Values/
For the first time since 2002, we're providing the necessary resources and strategic direction to take the fight to the extremists who attacked us on 9/11 in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_...-As-Delivered/
So let me be clear: Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile activity poses a real threat, not just to the United States, but to Iran's neighbors and our allies. The Czech Republic and Poland have been courageous in agreeing to host a defense against these missiles. As long as the threat from Iran persists, we will go forward with a missile defense system that is cost-effective and proven. If the Iranian threat is eliminated, we will have a stronger basis for security, and the driving force for missile defense construction in Europe will be removed.

Andrew

[mhall]

Just in case anyone is actually interested in hearing what Obama has really said rather than listen to the usual right wing bullcrap, check out http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/ and read up.

A few things relavent to the current discussion:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/09/03...-and-Pakistan/
So I want the American people to understand that we have a clear and focused goal: to disrupt, dismantle and defeat al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and to prevent their return to either country in the future. That's the goal that must be achieved. That is a cause that could not be more just.

There is an uncompromising core of the Taliban. They must be met with force, and they must be defeated.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Security-and-Values/
For the first time since 2002, we're providing the necessary resources and strategic direction to take the fight to the extremists who attacked us on 9/11 in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_...-As-Delivered/
So let me be clear: Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile activity poses a real threat, not just to the United States, but to Iran's neighbors and our allies. The Czech Republic and Poland have been courageous in agreeing to host a defense against these missiles. As long as the threat from Iran persists, we will go forward with a missile defense system that is cost-effective and proven. If the Iranian threat is eliminated, we will have a stronger basis for security, and the driving force for missile defense construction in Europe will be removed.

Andrew

We heard what your King said we just don't believe in one **** word of it, the man is SPINELESS!

[apb]

We heard what your King said we just don't believe in one **** word of it, the man is SPINELESS!

Based on what? You make plenty of acusations, but never supply anything to back them up. Put up, or shut up.

Andrew

[mhall]

Based on what? You make plenty of acusations, but never supply anything to back them up. Put up, or shut up.

Andrew

Maybe a bit strong don't ya think?? I knew I could get you testy if I tried hard enough, lol.
O.K. here goes, the man talks a great game, he gives wonderful feel good speeches that are quite heart warming and make me feel warm and fuzzy. It's the substance and being able to deliver on those speeches that concern me. He has spent money like a drunken sailor on leave and has actually made things worse by running up the deficit to unthinkable proportions. His idea of closing Gitmo is a terrible idea on too many fronts to discuss on this forum, not enough space. His Robin Hood mentality of stealing from the SO CALLED rich to feed the poor is a horrible idea. It's the small businesses in this country the employ 70 % of Americans. According to Obama they are all making out like bandits and should be taxed to death and forced to supply some type of Government run or based health care, yet another horrible idea. His feel good tour went bad in my opinion and made America seem desperate and weak. The premise of the idea I think is sound but the man nearly Groveled to some of what most Americans would consider enemies.

I'll stop now, I have more and hopefully these seem like justifiable reasons to not like the man's policies. I too could do as you have been doing and copy and paste speeches and quotes from Obama and the such but to me and my humble mind that proves very little. They are words and not actions, I'm ready for something to hang my hat on from Obama, he talked a great game, now it's time to score some points. Throwing money by the Trillions at the problems are not going to solve it either. These are my opinions and I'm entitled to them, we may disagree on politics but we can always get along when we are floating or wading......Have a nice day Mr Bradbury.

[apb]

Yeah, may be a little strong! Don’t worry honey, I still loves ya My post was more of a comment to the various folks from the right who post here than an attack on you personally. My apologies if it came across differently. Just a little too much of the liberal bashing on the board lately and very little of sustenance to back it up by a number of folks. As always, you are most certainly entitled to your opinions. I actually appreciate hearing other’s opinions on various matters, as long as they can back them up. I might learn something

At this point, I think it’s a little early to tell whether Obama’s spending will do more harm or good over the long run. Given the economic mess we were (and still are) in, something had to be done. Last guy not to do anything in a similar situation was Hoover, and that ended up in a depression. As far as spending like a drunken sailor, I don’t recall many criticisms of the last guy while he did that

As for delivering on his speeches, not sure that I can agree with you. As an example, he stated early on that we needed to finish the job in Afghanistan and needed to hunt Al Qaeda where ever they hid. Since then he has authorized an additional 21k troops for Afghanistan and a cross border raid into Pakistan to hit Al Qaeda/Taliban positions. Notice how Pakistan has increased its own attacks on Al Qaeda/Taliban since then? Seems to be backing up what he said in speeches.

Like I’ve said before, and Dave has stated recently, it’s not a dem versus repub or liberal versus conservative thing. We are all Americans, time we started acting like it and stopping the partisan bs. Obama certainly was not my first choice for the position; however, I am willing to give him some time to deliver on what he promised. Four months is a pretty short time to make that call. Like any president, I’m sure there will be things that he does/says that I agree with and others that I disagree with. My 2 cents from a third string, armchair quarterback.

Hmmm, wading and fishing. Could we include a cold beverage afterwards

[mhall]

Oh yes, we can surely include a cold brewskie afterwards. And all we'll talk about is fishing, women, fishing, women, baits, fishing, women, reels, fishing and then if that gets boring we'll talk more about fishing. As much as I don't like the man I do really hope and pray he succeeds, Lord knows I mean that to, my very job and lively hood depends on it. I may not like the guy leading me out of the forest to safety but if he knows the way and I don't I'll follow him awhile to see what happens. Good day to all, and may todays storms miss you.

[GeoFisher]

You know.....when I'm on the lake or in Quetico with someone......Dem or Pub, we hardly EVER talk politics......I guess when your fishing, there are WAY TOO many things to talk about.

And I'd still go fishing with pretty much ANYBODY on the board............

Later,

Geo

[mhall]

You know.....when I'm on the lake or in Quetico with someone......Dem or Pub, we hardly EVER talk politics......I guess when your fishing, there are WAY TOO many things to talk about.

And I'd still go fishing with pretty much ANYBODY on the board............

Later,

Geo

We'd fish with you to bro in a heartbeat. I've checked out your site before George and that trip looks like a blast to me. If you would read these posts you would think Andrew and I were ready to kill each other, quite the contrary. We fish together pretty often and NEVER a harsh word do we speak. We have a great time and I think of him as a true friend. He and I know we don't see eye to eye on some politics but everything else we do, and if he ever needs anything at all he knows he can call me and I'll be there.

[apb]

Now Mark, you keep talking like that you know you'll get me feeling moist Better polish the wading shoes and get the buzzbaits ready, bout time to get serious on those creek smallies!

Andrew

[mhall]

Now Mark, you keep talking like that you know you'll get me feeling moist Better polish the wading shoes and get the buzzbaits ready, bout time to get serious on those creek smallies!

Andrew

LOL.......Just let me know, and I'll be wet to the waiste and loving it......

[pontooner]

I liked this thead better when the gloves were off and punches were being thrown. Now it's all civil and boring. booooo

JK, It is funny how you can have such different views and still get along with almost anyone as long as your fishing. That is of course until they start complaing about being in the back of the boat.

[DJD]

His Robin Hood mentality of stealing from the SO CALLED rich to feed the poor is a horrible idea. It's the small businesses in this country the employ 70 % of Americans. According to Obama they are all making out like bandits and should be taxed to death and forced to supply some type of Government run or based health care, yet another horrible idea.

I'm 100% on board with this quote. He vilified the hard working men and women of this country to get the support of many people who are useless, clueless, young, dumb and lost without a cause.

I still think there were other ways to help our economy like cutting gubment spending as a start...why even propose ideas of giving more money to foreign countries and radicals? For that matter stop giving my money to anyone even closely associated with radicals, radical muslims or terrorists controlled areas.

People feel so sorry for the homeless or victimized people of other countries but seem to overlook our own people. America feels sorry for the inner city youth but fails to acknowledge the problems in Appalachia.
It's all politics and that why I don't trust what doofus, Bidenhistime or any other Polly says.

Sorry I went in many diff directions but I'm sick and tired of anyone giving credit to people who can lie cheat and steal and then get away with it...from any party!