Thanks for your help guys I am going to try and go after them again next Monday or Tuesday!! I will have stronger test line on this time and a couple other types of frogs to test out. I am pretty good with jigs/plastics and crankbaits and dealdly with the chatterbait but never have been good with the topwater. If I catch some hogs I will try and post a few pics on here for you guys. My dad told me he used to catch em on a spoon with a grub trailer drug on the grass. has anyone ever tried this???