Muslim love tour

[zx150]

Work for GM that is the funniest thing I have heard all week.

[apb]

Andrew, do you honestly think that us being nice is going stop violence that has been going on since before the birth of Jesus Christ, come'on brother I mean really. Look me in the eye with a straight face and tell me that us kissing ass has ever stopped any of their violent acts. What did we do to deserve 9/11, nothing my friend absolutely nothing. It's all one big huge fat waste of time money and resources.

I'm with you on this one. How can you reason with extremists? I don't think it's possible so kill them and let Allah sort them out.

With that reasoning [comment on RoadToad]....Makes you wonder why they killed thousands of innocent people in the 911 plane crashes if their beef was with the gubment? Does that make it ok since these American and loved ones were just collateral damage? In the name of Allah?

What about the bombings through the years on american soldiers? They are just working for the gubment but not the gubment. How is that justified? ...

It’s not the extremists that we are reaching out too. I agree with you, the only way that we will stop extremists is with a bullet or cluster bombs. As RoadToad noted, it’s the rest of the people that we want to reach. Basically show them that we are not satan as the extremists claim. I think you'll find that the majority of muslins are for peace. A number of those are indifferent to us due to various US policies and not following through with what we say. If we can turn their opinion (i.e., win the hearts and minds), then the extremists will have fewer places to hide, fewer people wanting to join them, and more people standing up to them.

I agree, attacks on various embassies, the Cole, 9-11 were not deserved. Those attacks were solely the work of extremists. In short, their view is that you either convert to Islam or you die. It makes no difference to extremists if you are civilian or military. You are not a Muslim, so you are an infidel, and; therefore, must die. I fully support the bullet to the head philosophy towards extremists.

I wish it was as easy as turn the place into glass. We do that part very well. Unfortunately it is not as simple as that. If you want to stop people from becoming extremists, you have to reach them in some way. If you can do that, them you will marginalize the few extremists that still exist. Marginalized like that and they’ll find it real difficult to wage their jihad. In the long run, by reaching out to the general populations you’ll save $$ and lives over the long run. Yes, it is worth it.

Andrew

PS, The Bushes were pretty close with the Saudi royal family. Some of them may have spent some time at their palaces over the years, both while in or out of office. Don’t know for sure.

[know1]

I'm with you on this one. How can you reason with extremists? I don't think it's possible so kill them and let Allah sort them out.

But if you kill them before they have a chance to kill you, who is the extremist?

I think what we're trying to do is differentiate that there is a difference between a muslim who would kill us and one that wouldn't and try to ensure that we have good relationships with those who wouldn't (which are likely the vast majority).

[DJD]

But if you kill them before they have a chance to kill you, who is the extremist?

I think what we're trying to do is differentiate that there is a difference between a muslim who would kill us and one that wouldn't and try to ensure that we have good relationships with those who wouldn't (which are likely the vast majority).

Well that's silly and dangerous thinking. Extremists who kill or torture others (Women and Children included) that don't believe in their way of life compared to an American who is just living life and then gets victimized by these thugs is your comparison right?

So if I or we protect ourselves we are extremists? Is that what your implying? Man that open minded thinking is fine but if your too open minded your brain will fall out.

So to answer your question...they are still an extremist just dead. I am an American who just took care of business and living life.

[Chubminnow]

Nuke'm till they glow! Heck here we are, sending a brand spanking new man (Nobama) over there to try and talk sense to those idiots....Nobama was not affiliated with the prior white house regime...but it doesn't matter....5 or 6 months into Nobama's presidency the idiots put out video's saying he's not welcome....Not welcome?!

[mhall]

Yea and just yesterday another tape on towell head television Bin Laden was just saying what an infidel dog he was and that America would pay for his continuence of the Bush policies.

Wake up people,,, smell the coffee for heaven's sake.

[apb]

So now you are equating Bin Ladin with all Muslims? Sorry, that is not the case. Hell, Al Qaeda has attacked Muslim targets too. I really doubt that many like him at all.

Andrew

[wishniwasfishn]

I am no fan of Osama, I mean Obama, but if he can make one crazy a** Muslim like the United States, and not want to blow it up, then what he is doing is worth it, of course since he is a recently removed Muslim himself he may be able to speak their language, share stories of the Koran, and discuss how many Virgins they will all share with the almighty Allah, so this actually may do some good. Heres hoping he makes it back alright, and some crazy Muslim doesnt blow him up, because the only person that could possibly be worse than him is Biden.

[mhall]

So now you are equating Bin Ladin with all Muslims? Sorry, that is not the case. Hell, Al Qaeda has attacked Muslim targets too. I really doubt that many like him at all.

Andrew

I hope I can clarify one thing here that has gotten off path in my opinion. I also will take the liberty to speak somewhat for Don to as I think he's saying the same thing I am.
Re read the posts and at no time did I say all muslims should be killed and Don didn't either he said Radical extremist.

The point in my original post and I will stand behind it forever is this. Those of you that think us showing up shaking hands eating veal cooked in curry and taking photo's with dignitaries is going to change anything at all are incredible nieve. This is nothing new guys we've been trying to make these people like us since before we were a twinkle in our Dadies eye and guess what it still hasn't worked and it NEVER will. I appreciate your undieing optimism but at what point do just let that one go.
Andrew.... Those people aren't going to turn terrorist in they are to afraid to, it ain't gonna happen brother. And if they do they and all thier family will be dead in less than two days... Complete fantasy here.

All I was trying say is take care of more pertanent business and not worry about things you obviously cannot ever change.

I'll make you and Michael a bet... if any US President ever changes the overall perception of how the Muslim/Islamic world views the United States as a whole I'll give you both a new Ranger bassboat. Think about fellas why bother what good will ever come from it othet than what roadtoad has already said.....here it is in a nutshell...we need their OIL, there is the real raeson we play nice all the time.
France hates our guts, why aren't we over their having a D-bumping campaign, why, because we don't need anything from them that's why.
Will Obama make the terrorist not hurt us by playing nice and taking smiling photo's....NO.

And how did my post equate Bum Laden to all muslims, I must have missed that one all together.

[mhall]

What we really need to do is all get together somewhere convenient for everybody, maybe rent a place. We'll drink beer,cook some food,play some cornhole and have a good time.

I'll bring a pair of 16 oz gloves and if anybody brings up politics we can square off for two three minute rounds. Then we'll drink some more beer and play some more cornhole.
How's that sound?

[Tim_T]

What we really need to do is all get together somewhere convenient for everybody, maybe rent a place. We'll drink beer,cook some food,play some cornhole and have a good time.

I'll bring a pair of 16 oz gloves and if anybody brings up politics we can square off for two three minute rounds. Then we'll drink some more beer and play some more cornhole.
How's that sound?

I am in, you mentioned some of my favorite things there, beer food and cornhole.

In the interst of fairness I will be the boxing referee since I am already licensed by the Association of Boxing Commissions as a ref and judge.

Guess that should read formerly licensed, I just looked at my card and it has been expired since Nov. of 2008.

[DJD]

What we really need to do is all get together somewhere convenient for everybody, maybe rent a place. We'll drink beer,cook some food,play some cornhole and have a good time.

I'll bring a pair of 16 oz gloves and if anybody brings up politics we can square off for two three minute rounds. Then we'll drink some more beer and play some more cornhole.
How's that sound?

I'm in! Now the hard part where and when?