Quote Originally Posted by mhall View Post
Andrew, do you honestly think that us being nice is going stop violence that has been going on since before the birth of Jesus Christ, come'on brother I mean really. Look me in the eye with a straight face and tell me that us kissing ass has ever stopped any of their violent acts. What did we do to deserve 9/11, nothing my friend absolutely nothing. It's all one big huge fat waste of time money and resources.
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I'm with you on this one. How can you reason with extremists? I don't think it's possible so kill them and let Allah sort them out.
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With that reasoning [comment on RoadToad]....Makes you wonder why they killed thousands of innocent people in the 911 plane crashes if their beef was with the gubment? Does that make it ok since these American and loved ones were just collateral damage? In the name of Allah?

What about the bombings through the years on american soldiers? They are just working for the gubment but not the gubment. How is that justified? ...
It’s not the extremists that we are reaching out too. I agree with you, the only way that we will stop extremists is with a bullet or cluster bombs. As RoadToad noted, it’s the rest of the people that we want to reach. Basically show them that we are not satan as the extremists claim. I think you'll find that the majority of muslins are for peace. A number of those are indifferent to us due to various US policies and not following through with what we say. If we can turn their opinion (i.e., win the hearts and minds), then the extremists will have fewer places to hide, fewer people wanting to join them, and more people standing up to them.

I agree, attacks on various embassies, the Cole, 9-11 were not deserved. Those attacks were solely the work of extremists. In short, their view is that you either convert to Islam or you die. It makes no difference to extremists if you are civilian or military. You are not a Muslim, so you are an infidel, and; therefore, must die. I fully support the bullet to the head philosophy towards extremists.

I wish it was as easy as turn the place into glass. We do that part very well. Unfortunately it is not as simple as that. If you want to stop people from becoming extremists, you have to reach them in some way. If you can do that, them you will marginalize the few extremists that still exist. Marginalized like that and they’ll find it real difficult to wage their jihad. In the long run, by reaching out to the general populations you’ll save $$ and lives over the long run. Yes, it is worth it.

Andrew

PS, The Bushes were pretty close with the Saudi royal family. Some of them may have spent some time at their palaces over the years, both while in or out of office. Don’t know for sure.