Question for Bassin Bug

[Grumpy]

In a previous post you expressed an understanding of the Book of Revelations, so I have a question for you.

First some back ground: A couple of days ago a good friend of mine told me that he wanted to live at least until December 21, 2012. When I asked why, he said he wanted to see if the world was really going to end on that date or if something else would happen. I am well read and I especially like to learn about unusual and paranomral things, but I have to admit I had not heard of this predicted happening until last Saturday.

I won't go into everything he told me, but this afternoon I did a Google search for "December 21, 2012" and I came up with a bunch of information on this subject. I just finished watching a 5 part video from the History Channel that I found on a site dedicated to information about that date:

http://www.december212012.com/

The video delved into predictions from several sources that say the world will end on December 21, 2012 or at least life as we know it will be drastically changed. The sources that they detail were: The Mayan Calandar; Ancient Roman Oracles, notable Sybil in 600 BC; the Oracle at Delphi, Greece; the Chinese I-Ching Book of Changes; the English Wizard Merlin (the real one, not the one from King Arthur); English Mother Shipton; American Indians Souix and Hoppi; and in modern times the "Web-Bot Project" & science which predicts "Pole Shift" for the Earth at that time.

The video even talks about Revelations predicting the end of the world but what they were saying (that the world will end on December 21, 2012) doesn't track with my understanding of Revelations. If I understand Revelations correctly, the END OF TIME cannot come for at least 14 years after the Third Temple has been built (rebiuilt) on Mount Moriah (sp) which is now occupied by the Muslim Temple the Dome of the Rock. Even if the Jews blew up the Dome of the Rock tomorrow, there isn't much chance that they could rebuild the Jewish temple in a little over three years.

My question is: Have you heard of December 21, 2012 being the end of time and if so how do you tack that with Revelations? OK, that is really two questions, but I would be interested in your opinion of the subject.

Also, I would be interested in any other opinions.

Grumpy

[RoadToad]

This is a very interesting subject. I always knew this was based on some upcoming astronomical event, but didn't really know what it was until I did the same Google search, but with the word "astronomy" added. This site here gives a good, understandable explanation of what's going to happen on that date, in astronomical terms:
http://www.planetpapp.com/br21december2012/

To sum it up, in that year, the point in the sky where the sun appears to rise on the winter solstice will intersect the "plane of the ecliptic." The site explains what that is better than I could, but it's basically the track of the planets and the Moon. It's the end of a cycle that lasts about 26,000 years, and represents the passing from the Age of Pisces into the Age of Aquarius (cue the Fifth Dimension!). Personally, I don't think there's going to be any great cataclysm, or apocalypse, or whatever word you want to put on it, on that particular date. If you want to get all mystical about it, well then I guess you could say that on that date we will pass into an age during which the world as we know it will end. Given that that age will last another 26,000 years, I don't think it takes a prophet to predict that.

There was one statement made on the website you referenced that I think is pretty far-fetched. In the part about the pole shift, he says, "In 2012 the next polar reversal will take place on earth. This means that the North Pole will be changed into the South Pole. Scientifically this can only be explained by the fact that the earth will start rotating in the opposite direction, together with a huge disaster of unknown proportions."
http://www.december212012.com/articl...ft/index.shtml

Give me a break! The Earth's rotations is going so suddenly reverse? Why? It's rotated in the same direction for billions of years. What is going to happen in 2012 that's going to reverse it? Nope, I ain't buyin' it! The Earth's magnetic field is controlled mostly by the Sun. Yes, it's moving, in fact it's position can vary quite a bit day to day. If you're interested, here's a web site devoted to just that subject:
http://gsc.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/nmp/daily_mvt_nmp_e.php
But there's NO evidence that I could find that there's going to be some sudden shift on that day. I'm sorry, but I think that his statement is ridiculous, and if he's going to state hogwash like that as fact, then I would tend to doubt anything he says.

To answer your major question, "How can you reconcile belief in this date as the "end of the world" with Revelations," I don't think you can. I think that belief in this phenomenon, just like any superstition, is inconsistent with a Christian world view. Just one man's opinion.

[Grumpy]

RoadToad, thanks for your input and additional information. I just passed over the scientific parts in my write up as just one more source predicting the end of time. . Did you watch the videos from the History Channel? They cite at least 10 different entities that have predicted the end of time at December 21, 2012. Some of those entities, like the English Orachles and the American Indians have two or more different entities making the prediction. It is interesting that so many different seers have come up with the same date.

BTW, what you stated (and answered) as my question was not what I asked. Go back and read the paragraph that starts with "The video even talks about Revelations. . . " Then read my questions again.

[Grumpy]

Roadtoad, I just reread you post and I guess you really did answer my question, I am the one that mis-read what you said. However, I don't think that the Mayan belief in their extremely accurate calandar or that of several of the other predicters were any more superstition than the Christain world view and its believe in the Bible is superstition. Each believed in the validity of thier prophacies.

[Bobby Headrick]

Does it not say in Revelations that "firs and brimstone" would rain down from the Heavens. So if the Myans, bible,and all the other soothsayers are correct could it not be either a vocanic eruption, the one at Yellowstone is overdue, or it could be a comet or something from space that could strike the earth, if I am correct I think some comet or asteriod or something is supposed to come close to earth that year. They all could have predicted what they witnessed as Pompi got rain on with fire/brimstone. So they could be correct in predicting a natural cycle that affects all earth. Just have to wait and see and stock up on ammo/food/water etc.

[Grumpy]

Bobby, the reason I asked the question(s) is because if my understanding of Revelations is correct, there are several things that must happen over at least 14 years before the End of Time can come. And, as as said above, one of the major requirements is that the Jews rebuild their Temple on Mount Moriah, which is now occupied by the Muslim temple. I don't see how the time line in Revelations can be accomplisted before December 21, 2012. That is not to say that some of the things you mention couldn't happen, it just is not necessarily the end.

Grumpy

[Bobby Headrick]

TRUE GRUMP TRUE. There could be something else, the Mayan's do not actually predict that 12/21/2012 is the end just that something major is going to happen that will bring change. Nature is always changing and remember all great nations have all fallen as nothing lasts forever and change is inevitable.

[GeoFisher]

Who gives a crap....................I will be at Dale Hollow STICKING smallies..........

Later,

Geo

[bassin_bug]

In a previous post you expressed an understanding of the Book of Revelations, so I have a question for you.

First some back ground: A couple of days ago a good friend of mine told me that he wanted to live at least until December 21, 2012. When I asked why, he said he wanted to see if the world was really going to end on that date or if something else would happen. I am well read and I especially like to learn about unusual and paranomral things, but I have to admit I had not heard of this predicted happening until last Saturday.

I won't go into everything he told me, but this afternoon I did a Google search for "December 21, 2012" and I came up with a bunch of information on this subject. I just finished watching a 5 part video from the History Channel that I found on a site dedicated to information about that date:

http://www.december212012.com/

The video delved into predictions from several sources that say the world will end on December 21, 2012 or at least life as we know it will be drastically changed. The sources that they detail were: The Mayan Calandar; Ancient Roman Oracles, notable Sybil in 600 BC; the Oracle at Delphi, Greece; the Chinese I-Ching Book of Changes; the English Wizard Merlin (the real one, not the one from King Arthur); English Mother Shipton; American Indians Souix and Hoppi; and in modern times the "Web-Bot Project" & science which predicts "Pole Shift" for the Earth at that time.

The video even talks about Revelations predicting the end of the world but what they were saying (that the world will end on December 21, 2012) doesn't track with my understanding of Revelations. If I understand Revelations correctly, the END OF TIME cannot come for at least 14 years after the Third Temple has been built (rebiuilt) on Mount Moriah (sp) which is now occupied by the Muslim Temple the Dome of the Rock. Even if the Jews blew up the Dome of the Rock tomorrow, there isn't much chance that they could rebuild the Jewish temple in a little over three years.

My question is: Have you heard of December 21, 2012 being the end of time and if so how do you tack that with Revelations? OK, that is really two questions, but I would be interested in your opinion of the subject.

Also, I would be interested in any other opinions.

Grumpy

This is to acknowledge your question and to let you know that I wasn't ignoring you. Have just returned home from a 2-week vacation. Have not visited the web sites that have been reported because of a time factor. However, I will say that I've heard, read, and seen various opinions on the subject. Most, if not all, of them are "documentaries" written by alarmists and all have been self-serving either financially or to promote their opinions on certain ideas, theistic, or atheistic views.

Here are a couple of things to remember: (1) The Bible does not support nor merge with Numerology and Astrology since they are considered to be a form of, or associated with, witchcraft. (2) There is a false teaching that delves into numerology which says that the number "6" is Satan's number (666 is the number of the mark of the beast and was NOT chosen by Satan himself); the number "7" is the perfect/favorite number of God; the number "8" is the number of Man. I am unable to find anything in the Bible that supports such teachings.

God placed the stars and planets in the Heavens and has been their Shepherd carefully guiding them since that very minute. They will not collide and will not fall to the earth until HE gives the orders; no one, not even the Angels of Heaven, knows when that will be. Astronomers have been making miscalculations since they began tracking the planets and will be proven wrong if they predict that the planets will fall and destroy the earth on a certain date. How many times have we heard that a certain planet is speeding toward earth, or another planet, only to have some Astronomer later come up with some lame excuse why there was no collision?

The date 12-21-2012 is neither of significance nor consequence as far as endtimes are concerned; it is a calendar date ONLY and it's earthly consequences is that some people will have no calendar and/or must figure out a new system by which to extend their calendar. In numerology that date is condensed into a single number (12)1+2=3, (21)2+1=3, (2012)2+0+1+2=5, reduced to a single number, 3+3+5=11 (11)1+1=2. It is impossible to link December 21, 2012 to events foretold in the Book of Revelations.

The "end of time" will not be on 12-21-2012 and I base it on the following scripture:

Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the Angels of Heaven, but My Father only."

If you would like, please send me your snail mail address, by private e-mail, and I will send you a book that clearly explains the Book of Revelations.

Bassin_Bug

[Grumpy]

Bassin Bug, Thanks for all the information and for confirming what I thought.

Grumpy