Cedar Creek Lake No Wake Zones will happen

[Bonefish]

I have been talking to John Williams, District Resources for Southeastern Fishery District, this past week concerning placing "No Wake" zones in some of the tributaries on Cedar so people can fish without a lot of wave action. John said as soon as they get the buoys together and consult Law Enforcement, they will place the buoys. There will be free traveling from the Dam to the upper bridge so boaters can get to one end to the other as ususal. I think this is a major improvement for Cedar and everyone who fishes this lake. This change will make Cedar a safer and more enjoyable lake to fish. I think John deserves a big "THANKS" for action on this request. And, thanks to everyone who voiced their opinions here on Fishin.com because it made a difference as well.

[DJD]

Not really sure how this is a big help. The problem area is still wide open. I never observed a problem from the bridge up...has anyone else? It's great that they are looking into it but the no wake needs to be at the fist cove going up lake from the middle boat ramp. Am I wrong?

[mhall]

Not really sure how this is a big help. The problem area is still wide open. I never observed a problem from the bridge up...has anyone else? It's great that they are looking into it but the no wake needs to be at the fist cove going up lake from the middle boat ramp. Am I wrong?

Good job on your efforts and it's a real nice start, but Don has a good point. From right there past the little bay on the left it should be no wake the rest of the way in my opinion. I'll be so glad when the KDFW actually grows a set and makes a true trophy type fishing lake in this state.
I'm tired of tournaments running the department, but they continually bow down and do things in accordance to what tounament organizations want. I've been lobbying forever to get a slot put on the smallmouth in Cumberland. All the state bioligist with a brain know it would really help the lake for numbers and size and bring it up to Dale standards. But guess why they won't do it. Everytime it's talked about, 14 different tourney organizations gets their panties wound up tight in their rear and the Department buckles.

I'm sorry for hijacking your thread, you obvisously played a role in a good thing, well done on your part. Oh and by the way before you all jump on me about bashing tourney's I really wasn't doing that I was just stating an opinion about how private groups should not have as much influence on a Fish and Wildlfe department as it does.

[Tim_T]

I'm tired of tournaments running the department, but they continually bow down and do things in accordance to what tounament organizations want. I've been lobbying forever to get a slot put on the smallmouth in Cumberland. All the state bioligist with a brain know it would really help the lake for numbers and size and bring it up to Dale standards. But guess why they won't do it. Everytime it's talked about, 14 different tourney organizations gets their panties wound up tight in their rear and the Department buckles.

Mark, the last time they raised the size limit for Smallies at Cumberland and Laurel, the biologists said it would have no effect, but yet it was done anyway because of the commisioner in that district. I was at the Commision meeting in Frankfort and there was no bowing down to the tourney guys, including Charlie Evans of FLW who spoke that day. They did this despite the fact that John Williams and the others said it would have zero effect. When it comes to smallies, Cumberland will never be Dale despite all of the restrictions, it seems to be that Dale has something that the others don't.

[mhall]

Mark, the last time they raised the size limit for Smallies at Cumberland and Laurel, the biologists said it would have no effect, but yet it was done anyway because of the commisioner in that district. I was at the Commision meeting in Frankfort and there was no bowing down to the tourney guys, including Charlie Evans of FLW who spoke that day. They did this despite the fact that John Williams and the others said it would have zero effect. When it comes to smallies, Cumberland will never be Dale despite all of the restrictions, it seems to be that Dale has something that the others don't.

Tim my brother we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Here are just a few reason's I'm certain it would help the fishery for smallmouth bass.
1. Take a huge amount of pressure off of the harvesting of legal 18 inch fish due to the 90 plus striper boats out 7 days a week. Every legal 18 inch fish that hits their boats meet a knife I've watched it for years. Look at the photo pages of the striper guides and see what you see hundred's of barely legal smallmouth meeting their maker. If the size limit goes up or there is a slot they have to tell their clients to release these fish. Couple that with the fact smallmouth are suckers for live bait.and well......you get the picture.
2. With more brood females able to reach a bigger size they will pass on premeire Genitics to the Gene pool. This is simple fish biology 101, anybody disputes that one knows nothing about fish. The more larger females the better the Genetics therefore a better fishery.
3. Last but certainly not least is what you said. THEY SAY it won't matter, tisk tisk. THEY SAID the exact same thing about Dale and that it wouldn't matter and it was a battel royal to get it done. In fact if it hadn't been for the TVA and the DNR in Tenn it would not have taken place. Did it work for Dale, ask anybody in the know about that lake and they will give you a big hell yes. All the guys that make their bread money off of that lake say it was the best thing that ever happened to the Holler's fishery. There is what Dale Hollow has on Cumberland and some grass for them to hide in, but that is the the only physical difference. KDFW was against the slot on Dale and weighd in saying it wouldn't make a big deal in the fishery but would piss alot of the fisherman off. Ask yourself this and anyone else that has fished that lake for years, Did the slot help Dale on Smallmouth and see what they say??

[Tim_T]

Tim my brother we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Here are just a few reason's I'm certain it would help the fishery for smallmouth bass.
1. Take a huge amount of pressure off of the harvesting of legal 18 inch fish due to the 90 plus striper boats out 7 days a week. Every legal 18 inch fish that hits their boats meet a knife I've watched it for years. Look at the photo pages of the striper guides and see what you see hundred's of barely legal smallmouth meeting their maker. If the size limit goes up or there is a slot they have to tell their clients to release these fish. Couple that with the fact smallmouth are suckers for live bait.and well......you get the picture.
2. With more brood females able to reach a bigger size they will pass on premeire Genitics to the Gene pool. This is simple fish biology 101, anybody disputes that one knows nothing about fish. The more larger females the better the Genetics therefore a better fishery.
3. Last but certainly not least is what you said. THEY SAY it won't matter, tisk tisk. THEY SAID the exact same thing about Dale and that it wouldn't matter and it was a battel royal to get it done. In fact if it hadn't been for the TVA and the DNR in Tenn it would not have taken place. Did it work for Dale, ask anybody in the know about that lake and they will give you a big hell yes. All the guys that make their bread money off of that lake say it was the best thing that ever happened to the Holler's fishery. There is what Dale Hollow has on Cumberland and some grass for them to hide in, but that is the the only physical difference. KDFW was against the slot on Dale and weighd in saying it wouldn't make a big deal in the fishery but would piss alot of the fisherman off. Ask yourself this and anyone else that has fished that lake for years, Did the slot help Dale on Smallmouth and see what they say??

Mark, of course the slot helped Dale, but that doesn't mean it would help Cumberland and Laurel, they are not Dale. There is a reason the world record smallmout and most of the largest smallies in the world have come from Dale. Just like there is a reason(s) that almost all of the 20 pound largemouth in history have come from California.

As for the guides clients bringing home smallmouth, would would keep the from doing it to a legal fish regardless. I think there maybe more reasons than some grass that makes Cumberland not like Dale.

Btw, keep disagreeing with me and I will not talk sports with you LOL!

[mhall]

Mark, of course the slot helped Dale, but that doesn't mean it would help Cumberland and Laurel, they are not Dale. There is a reason the world record smallmout and most of the largest smallies in the world have come from Dale. Just like there is a reason(s) that almost all of the 20 pound largemouth in history have come from California.

As for the guides clients bringing home smallmouth, would would keep the from doing it to a legal fish regardless. I think there maybe more reasons than some grass that makes Cumberland not like Dale.

Btw, keep disagreeing with me and I will not talk sports with you LOL!

We can't agree on everything Tim, people will think we are dating or something, LOL.

[dsonthelake84]

Mark, of course the slot helped Dale, but that doesn't mean it would help Cumberland and Laurel, they are not Dale. There is a reason the world record smallmout and most of the largest smallies in the world have come from Dale. Just like there is a reason(s) that almost all of the 20 pound largemouth in history have come from California.

As for the guides clients bringing home smallmouth, would would keep the from doing it to a legal fish regardless. I think there maybe more reasons than some grass that makes Cumberland not like Dale.

Btw, keep disagreeing with me and I will not talk sports with you LOL!

Not to butt in, but I am just wondering, was the record smallmouth caught on the ky side or the tn side. Because I found this say that Cooley Williams has the state record-http://www.hollybaymarina.com/record_fish.htm. I know in 55 it was caught while trolling? Does Colley have the record for actually fishing for the fish?

[Tim_T]

Not to butt in, but I am just wondering, was the record smallmouth caught on the ky side or the tn side. Because I found this say that Cooley Williams has the state record-http://www.hollybaymarina.com/record_fish.htm. I know in 55 it was caught while trolling? Does Colley have the record for actually fishing for the fish?

That listing is old. A few years back some questions arose about David L. Hayes catch and it was delisted for a while and the state record was then from Laurel, but the record was reinstated. The way I understand it was that Hayes was fishing close to the state line and wasn't sure what state he was in, so both Kentucky and Tennessee claim the world record smallie as the state record.

[fishdaddy]

[just wondering what does tournament fisherman have to do with no wake at cedar creek,lmao just somethign to cry about?i dont know about you but most ok i will change that a good number of tourney guys have fished for a while and know boater safety,after all we have to wear our life jackets and while the other population just has to have them on the boat correct?but ya know i am kinda glad they are gonna make this creek and think they should make the other creeks no wake for safety,the cuts are to narrow and its way to easy to loose control zipping through there

[williamjsmith55]

can tell you guys from experience as someone who fishes cedar creek from a fourteen foot lowe extra wide john boat. i have been actively fishing many times back in the trees when someone comes through pouring it on it and will slam you with wake. It is not pleasant to be back in those trees and getting pounded by wake. i wish they would leave the main body alone but change it to no wake from were it splits off to go up to the bridge and just make all of the major branches into no wake. what does it help to run wide open from that fork up to the bridge. it isn't that far to go at no wake. i have fished there on foggy mornings and had people running wide open up in that fork and almost run you over. In general people need to pay more attention to there surroundings and those around them, just because I don't want to pay $30,000 for a boat doesn't mean i should not get the same pleasure out of fishing that someone who does. how would they feel if i ran right up next to them pushing off wake. I'd probably get shot. I have a nine year old that loves to fish but i won't take her there in the boat because of this. I will take her to wilgreen or beaver or stoner creek instead just because of people driving there boats carelessly. The regulaions say you should use idle speed to go by someone who is actively fishing. how many actually do it, very few. Those scratches on my $5,000 boat from being slammed into a tree from your wake hurt my heart just as much as it does the guy who gets a scratch on his $30,000 boat. How many people complain about the jet ski's and the pleasure boaters and the water skier's ruining there fishing and then turn around and do it to someone else. we should all slow down a little and be courteous to the next guy.

[BanditMan]

So are you saying from the bridge up in the creek is going to be no wake? If so I'm confused on how this will help anything.