World record bass caught

[bullmerc]

Would that count on all of the Texas bass as well? Their Share-a-Lunker program is pretty similar to what you are talking about.

Exactly. Enjoy catching the large fish BUT don't try to manipulate a RECORD out of the process.

If records are allowed to be broken in such manners then the honor of such records is diminshed or removed. LETS ALL BUILD A RECORD POND AND RAISE US A NEW WORLD RECORD FISH.

A similar situation exists in professional sports. Steroids and other drugs enabling athletes to run faster longer and be stronger than their counterparts enables them to breaK RECORDS that athletes who were drug-free set. SHOULD THESE RECORDS THAT THESE DRUG ABUSING ATHLETES BE COUNTED???????????????????????

[bigrod]

I have a question about the use of steroids in sports. I don't agree with them but my question is how do we know that athletes before now weren't using, I mean they were not tested back then and peformance enhancing drugs have been around for a long while.

[BPenrod]

Nevermind.

[bullmerc]

I have a question about the use of steroids in sports. I don't agree with them but my question is how do we know that athletes before now weren't using, I mean they were not tested back then and peformance enhancing drugs have been around for a long while.

I really don't think steroids or other enhancing drugs have been a part of the sporting world for more than the past 30 to 40 years. Granted there might have been athletes who devised some way to cheat but normally they were found out. The big drug kick in America really didn't materialize until the late 60's and 70's (the hippie culture). Sure there have been abusers since the beginning of recorded time but it was the hippie culture that brought drug use/abuse out of the shadows and into everyday society.

By making a comparison between Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds the one who used enhancement drugs is quite obvious. The same applies to Sammy Sosa and Willie Mays. The athletes who resort to "something extra" is quite obviious.

I made the reference to athletes as a comparison. This is a discussion about a record breaking bass not drug addicted professional athletes. My point was that anytime a RECORD is broken via some form of manipulation the NEW ROCORD should be dis-allowed. This is simple basic fairness.

[JD7.62]

So yes or no. If a world record LMB is caught in Texas or California, would you consider it legit?

[Webby709]

I really don't think steroids or other enhancing drugs have been a part of the sporting world for more than the past 30 to 40 years. Granted there might have been athletes who devised some way to cheat but normally they were found out. The big drug kick in America really didn't materialize until the late 60's and 70's (the hippie culture). Sure there have been abusers since the beginning of recorded time but it was the hippie culture that brought drug use/abuse out of the shadows and into everyday society.

By making a comparison between Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds the one who used enhancement drugs is quite obvious. The same applies to Sammy Sosa and Willie Mays. The athletes who resort to "something extra" is quite obviious.

I made the reference to athletes as a comparison. This is a discussion about a record breaking bass not drug addicted professional athletes. My point was that anytime a RECORD is broken via some form of manipulation the NEW ROCORD should be dis-allowed. This is simple basic fairness.

Performance enhancing drugs have been used since the dawn of man. it's only recently that we have been doing what we can to track it down. There is no way to be sure there isn't someone in the hall of fame right now (even the guys you mentioned) that did or didn't use them. We only have the word of the players and as most of us know the word of drug users isn't exactly trust worthy. So your obvious isn't so obvious.

all of our fisheries in the US have been modified by man in some way shape or form. there is not one body of pristine water left in the US. Even our farm ponds have been polluted with hormones and other chemicals from farming and landscaping industries that could be seen as enhancing the ecosystem. When you enhance that water you enhance everything that lives in it for better or worse.

As said before if you don't like the idea that Japan tied or holds the record then improve our fisheries or improve your angling either way stop trying to improve your excuse.

Please just drop your train wreck of an excuse. It's increasingly more difficult to watch, you are ruining a wonderful thread and making a fool out of American Sport fishermen

[bullmerc]

Performance enhancing drugs have been used since the dawn of man. it's only recently that we have been doing what we can to track it down. There is no way to be sure there isn't someone in the hall of fame right now (even the guys you mentioned) that did or didn't use them. We only have the word of the players and as most of us know the word of drug users isn't exactly trust worthy. So your obvious isn't so obvious.

all of our fisheries in the US have been modified by man in some way shape or form. there is not one body of pristine water left in the US. Even our farm ponds have been polluted with hormones and other chemicals from farming and landscaping industries that could be seen as enhancing the ecosystem. When you enhance that water you enhance everything that lives in it for better or worse.

As said before if you don't like the idea that Japan tied or holds the record then improve our fisheries or improve your angling either way stop trying to improve your excuse.

Please just drop your train wreck of an excuse. It's increasingly more difficult to watch, you are ruining a wonderful thread and making a fool out of American Sport fishermen

Have YOU even READ anything I have posted in the topic??????????? Obviously you only pick a word here and there and then make your judgement.

If your assesment of the subject matter were correct anyone with the money and the know how could manipulate any species of critter in order to "build" them a NEW WORLD RECORD. I can see it now a pond sanitized and climate controlled and stocked with only record class bass offspring and fed as many trout and other highly nutritious food sources as they can handle and within a few years some guy says he tossed a bait into the water and what do you know a 30 pound bass and a NEW WORLD RECORD.

If this is your idea of a fair and level playing field then that is your right but don't try to demonize myself or others for standing up for what we feel is right.

The only FOOLS in American sportfishing will be the ones who bow down and enbrace this NEW WORLD RECORD.

[bullmerc]

Performance enhancing drugs have been used since the dawn of man. it's only recently that we have been doing what we can to track it down. There is no way to be sure there isn't someone in the hall of fame right now (even the guys you mentioned) that did or didn't use them. We only have the word of the players and as most of us know the word of drug users isn't exactly trust worthy. So your obvious isn't so obvious.

all of our fisheries in the US have been modified by man in some way shape or form. there is not one body of pristine water left in the US. Even our farm ponds have been polluted with hormones and other chemicals from farming and landscaping industries that could be seen as enhancing the ecosystem. When you enhance that water you enhance everything that lives in it for better or worse.

As said before if you don't like the idea that Japan tied or holds the record then improve our fisheries or improve your angling either way stop trying to improve your excuse.

Please just drop your train wreck of an excuse. It's increasingly more difficult to watch, you are ruining a wonderful thread and making a fool out of American Sport fishermen

http://www.medstudents.com.br/sport/sport2.htm

[Webby709]

http://www.medstudents.com.br/sport/sport2.htm

This only shows how little you know and understand what you are talking about. There are WAY more PED than Steroids.

Chewing (really you are sucking) coca leaves to help the body metabolize Oxygen more effectively has been around since before documented history.

I guess you won't heed good advice. Not surprising I suppose.

[bullmerc]

This only shows how little you know and understand what you are talking about. There are WAY more PED than Steroids.

Chewing (really you are sucking) coca leaves to help the body metabolize Oxygen more effectively has been around since before documented history.

I guess you won't heed good advice. Not surprising I suppose.

What GOOD ADVICE are you implying. So far all I have seen is opinion backed by more opinion with a personal jab occasionally thrown in.

You are trying to imply that the athletes such as the BABE or MAYS may have used illegal substances during their career. Let's see some proof to back this up. I assume you DO HAVE somethig other than your opinion to back your claims (???)

I did a little reserach for you about performance enhancement drugs in the sporting venue:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ine/index.html

As you can surely see that IF the BABE or MAYS had used performance enhancement drugs it was not illegal at the time they played.

NOW if you are implying that the BABE "sucked" coca leaves then that would be a different story. Please post your soruce material for such an implication??????????????

[ON3 3Y3D WILLI3]

bullmerc,
Please, please, please stop. It's becoming quite painful to read your posts. Your opinion is fine (off by a mile), but fine. However, when developing that opinion it helps to have accurate to semi-accurate information, your head out of the sand, and your ideals and views about fisheries and fishing adapted to the present day and age - in 2009, not 1900.

In reading every single word, and all of the posts, my suggestion is you should just stop right there. You are 100% wrong in just about each of them and there is absolutely no logic and/or fact to any of it. I'm not saying you're bitter or upset, I'm saying you have no idea what you're talking about so it makes it seem to others that you're bitter or upset. Scary are the people who agree with you. Gives me the heebeejeebies.

Just pump the brakes a little and hit the public library for some books, or take some time to attend a biology class. Just please don't ruin this site with that kind of unsubstantiated non-sense - others who agree with this guy- please do the same.

BTW people have been trying to grow world record bass in controlled environments for years and years. Some are privately owned others are DFG owned fisheries.

See quote below:

There is a growing trend across the South to build your own Florida bass mecca. Here in the Jackson, Mississippi metro area, there are several residential developments built around a lake or lakes that are stocked with Florida bass and being managed to grow monsters. Several examples come to mind. Greystone Lake (100 acres) has already produced 16 pound bass and reportedly had a bass shocked up this Spring over 19 pounds which would be a new Mississippi record.

Sowbelly by Monte Burke is a very informative and interesting read. Many of your issues are addressed in it but are done so with research and accuracy- not opinion.

Willi3

[JD7.62]

bullmerc,
Please, please, please stop. It's becoming quite painful to read your posts. Your opinion is fine (off by a mile), but fine. However, when developing that opinion it helps to have accurate to semi-accurate information, your head out of the sand, and your ideals and views about fisheries and fishing adapted to the present day and age - in 2009, not 1900.

In reading every single word, and all of the posts, my suggestion is you should just stop right there. You are 100% wrong in just about each of them and there is absolutely no logic and/or fact to any of it. I'm not saying you're bitter or upset, I'm saying you have no idea what you're talking about so it makes it seem to others that you're bitter or upset. Scary are the people who agree with you. Gives me the heebeejeebies.

Just pump the brakes a little and hit the public library for some books, or take some time to attend a biology class. Just please don't ruin this site with that kind of unsubstantiated non-sense - others who agree with this guy- please do the same.

BTW people have been trying to grow world record bass in controlled environments for years and years. Some are privately owned others are DFG owned fisheries.

See quote below:

There is a growing trend across the South to build your own Florida bass mecca. Here in the Jackson, Mississippi metro area, there are several residential developments built around a lake or lakes that are stocked with Florida bass and being managed to grow monsters. Several examples come to mind. Greystone Lake (100 acres) has already produced 16 pound bass and reportedly had a bass shocked up this Spring over 19 pounds which would be a new Mississippi record.

Sowbelly by Monte Burke is a very informative and interesting read. Many of your issues are addressed in it but are done so with research and accuracy- not opinion.

Willi3

You are 100% dead on. Many state fisheries biologist like a buddy of mine try to get into the private sector just to do such things for people with $$$. Its nothing new and has been done for decades, Ray Scott, founder of B.A.S.S. did this in the 70's I believe on his private property near Montgomery, Alabama.