Convention of Islamics

[apb]

What makes more sense:

1) Obama was born in the US and the documents noted above are real

or

2) Obama somehow tricked a number of gov't agencies into believing that he is a natural born US citizen, that a number of people assisted in covering this up and have remained quiet about it, and that neither the Clinton nor the campaine could dig up any dirt to shoot him down during the election season (note that the Clinton campain was the one to find the birth note in the paper).

Seriously, when you actually start looking at facts and think about it, you realize the ring wing nut job radio folk who are promoting this BS are completely out of their minds.

Andrew

[mhall]

What makes more sense:

1) Obama was born in the US and the documents noted above are real

or

2) Obama somehow tricked a number of gov't agencies into believing that he is a natural born US citizen, that a number of people assisted in covering this up and have remained quiet about it, and that neither the Clinton nor the campaine could dig up any dirt to shoot him down during the election season (note that the Clinton campain was the one to find the birth note in the paper).

Seriously, when you actually start looking at facts and think about it, you realize the ring wing nut job radio folk who are promoting this BS are completely out of their minds.

Andrew

Doesn't sound that far fetched to me at all. Look at how he was elected? Acorn,........ dead people voting, some voting two and three times. The American people will never be able to see all the wrong doing's that went on to make the new King. In fact those that think he walks on water like yourself can't bring yourself to even think his excellency could have done anything illegal to get in office. You can only compare him to Bush so long, then we have to take a look at what he really is.

[Grumpy]

Andrew, I started to write much more but it could be considered against the rules, so I will just say I stand by my previous post.

Grumpy

[apb]

Doesn't sound that far fetched to me at all. Look at how he was elected? Acorn,........ dead people voting, some voting two and three times. The American people will never be able to see all the wrong doing's that went on to make the new King. In fact those that think he walks on water like yourself can't bring yourself to even think his excellency could have done anything illegal to get in office. You can only compare him to Bush so long, then we have to take a look at what he really is.

And you are so blinded by hate that you'll believe any kind of conspiricy that paints him in a bad light. Check the facts for yourself. For example,
on the birth certificate, if you had read even the first paragraph of what I posted you would have seen " FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. " Yes, the real certificate, not a scan. Plenty of other evidence too. Got any facts to back up your statements?

I don't believe for a second that Obama walks on water. If you'll read back through my posts you'll see where I have critizied him on several accounts. Conversely, you'll also see where I supported some of Bush's decisions.

btw, registered independant. I've voted for both parties and against both.

grumpy, post in a respectable manner and there will not be an issue. If you disagree with my post, I'm happy to read over your thoughts. May be I'll learn something.

Andrew

[mhall]

Why hasn't any of the general public seen it?? Why was it held under such scrutiny and darkness for so long. I can find stuff on both sides that say contradictary statements. I did read what you posted settle down big fella you seem to be getting your blood pressure up a bit.

Just for the record I don't hate him, hell I can't hate anybody I've never met before.
I do however hate his liberal policies and crazy ideas for his so called new America of change.
You just assume since I can't find anything I like about his job he is performing that I hate him, you know what they say about assuming.

You said to me once you hated Ronald Reagan or at least couldn't stand the man, I think is what you said. Personally I think Ole Ronnie was one of the greatest Presidents we've ever had. Opinion are just that, opinions. You say he was born in Hawaii, I say he was born in Africa, do either one of us really know the truth for sure, no not really, so please quit insinuating (spelling) that I am a dumb uneducated redneck because I choose to believe the way I do. I work with a couple of fellas that have Master's in their fields and they think he was born in Africa to.

Oh and Fastcheck.org, Wow, God forbid they wouldn't dare post anything untrue or tainted. Money and power, Money and power, it can do alot!

I just love these little heated debates, lol.

[apb]

"Why hasn't any of the general public seen it?? Why was it held under such scrutiny and darkness for so long. I can find stuff on both sides that say contradictary statements...."

I haven't seen McCain's, Bush's, Clinton's, etc, either. So what. As far as for why it was held back, I can only guess. Given that the election commission had accepted his application, he was legit. If he had taken the racid bait and fed the troll then he would have ended up spending a good deal of time and money debunking every ridiculous claim what some wacko brought rather than spending the time trying to get his message out.

"... you seem to be getting your blood pressure up a bit."

Blood pressure is just fine.

"...I do however hate his liberal policies and crazy ideas for his so called new America of change..."

Certainly legitimate. Cannot argue with you there. I don't agree with all of his policies either.

"...You just assume since I can't find anything I like about his job he is performing that I hate him, you know what they say about assuming..."

No, its the constant tone of contempt in your posts (and other right leaning folks on this site). The "messiah", "king", "not my president", etc. that certainly suggest it. If you say you don't hate him, your word it good enough for me. I'll accept that.

"Opinion are just that, opinions."

Agree.

"You say he was born in Hawaii, I say he was born in Africa, do either one of us really know the truth for sure, no not really..."

Disagree. While I have not personally held Obama's birth certificate in my hands (I would not know how to authenticate it anyway), the evidence out there make it highly unlikely that its a fake. If the story had any merit to it (it was debunked back in 2008), either Clinton or McCain would have used it to their advantage. However, both ignored it. If he were not a natural born citizen, there is no way that the DNC would have let him run either. If he was found out to be not eligible for election, they would have wasted a whole lot of time and money, in addition to losing the election. The backfire from that would have been enormous.

"so please quit insinuating (spelling) that I am a dumb uneducated redneck because I choose to believe the way I do."

I have never insinuated (I can't spell either!) that, nor do I believe it.

"Oh and Fastcheck.org, Wow, God forbid they wouldn't dare post anything untrue or tainted. Money and power, Money and power, it can do alot!"
From the Factcheck.org site: "We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit "consumer advocate" for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics.....accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals...."

From what I've seen on the site, those statements appear to be pretty accurate. They debunk claims from both the left and right pretty equally. In fact, there are several new ones up there right now debunking some recent comments Obama made. If you check their archives, however, you'll find that the "acorn scandel" is not quite what some make it out to be. Seriously, they are worth checking out.

"I just love these little heated debates, lol."

Glad that I can bring some joy to your life If you are interested in a more useful debate, I have an even better topic. I have been working on a new plug for smallies. Got the feeling its gonna produce some of the best quality creek smallies I've seen. Come on down and we'll debate that one on the creek.

Andrew

[GeoFisher]

I have been working on a new plug for smallies. Got the feeling its gonna produce some of the best quality creek smallies I've seen. Come on down and we'll debate that one on the creek.

Andrew

Man o Man.........I'd LOVE to try out a new bait on some of those NORTH of the border smallies.......

Headed back up to Quetico and the BWCA in two weeks.......

Yea, I know........the board will be quiet for a while........Maybe Grumpy and MHall will keep the fire burning.......

Wohoo.

Later,

Geo

[mhall]

Good luck George, Andrew I'll be in touch. I'm very intrigued by this new secret weapon!

[apb]

Mark, those last two photos I sent, the plug that is in the smallies mouths. Been playing around with it some and tweaking it a little since the weekend. Tested the next generation after work. Even better than the last ones Cool action to them.

geo, may be once I get them down how I want them I'll send you a plug or two to test out.

Andrew

[GeoFisher]

That'd be COOL.

I dabble in tying my own jigs, but that is about it..........

Thanks,

Geo