Cap-And-Trade Will Cost

[kyfanatic]

SlippedCork,you think Govt run/socialist healthcare is so great? What happens is,they ration it out so that everybody is limited to a certain amount.People such as my father who are at a certain age and will cost so much to take care of are pushed aside because it's cheaper to let them die than care for them.
Well,I say f%^& Obama,my father fought through France and Germany in WWII,if it weren't for people like him you would be speaking German,He worked from the time he was a teen well past the time he could retire and paid more than his share into the system barely touching any of it,yet you want me tell him he's not worth a treatrment because Obama and the Commies say he isn't,stick socialist ideas where the sun doesn't shine.
Tell,the sorry dems to quit taxing me to death on everything I touch and me and my family will be just fine.
Wonder how many of Obama's family fought to protect this country? Want the answer? NADA,ZIP,ZILCH,NONE,NOT A ONE.

[pontooner]

Wonder how many of Obama's family fought to protect this country? Want the answer? NADA,ZIP,ZILCH,NONE,NOT A ONE.

His grandfather was in WWII.

During World War II, Stanley Dunham enlisted in the Army. He served with the 1830th Ordnance Supply and Maintenance Company. During D-Day, this unit helped to support the 9th Air Force. They were deployed in France six weeks after D-Day.[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Armour_Dunham

[Chubminnow]

Suppose you and your wife have a car accident with lets say 3 children. The children and your wife are ok but you are paralized completely. You have the rent, electric,water,food and medical bills coming in that your wife cant meet. Who would you expect to come to the rescue? Taadaa, the government programs available to YOU! If you guessed something other than a gov program I am all EARS because I want to know how you and your wife would pay for all of these bills while keeping you alive? Sue the doctor would be an option, sue the person who caused your accident is a possibility. Other than that how would you provide for your family?

I'm not sure you're really into NObama as much as you say you are or if you're really more into stirring the pot behind the comfort of a computer screen, I have yet to meet one soul (besides YOU) who is siding with NObama...Their's a plan in place right now isn't there? Isn't it called social security and/or disability? I have a female friend who had to quit work due to pancreatic cancer. Granted she wasn't in a car wreck, but her illness doesn't allow her to work any longer...she's collecting her social security and such and making ends meet. She's also brought a lot of heart warming things to light about life in general since out of all her friends and family that she has she is the one who's facing death for sure in the not to distant future.

NObama is a joke, his administration is a joke, his entire presidency is a joke and I'm doing everything I can to spread the word not only on this website but every website I frequent as well as face-to-face conversations with folks I meet.

[slippedcork]

Hey Chub, I will admit to stirring the pot a little. I am like most of you except I differ about the programs avaliable to us all. Like most of you if I became unemployed I would want unemployment benefits. If I became disabled I would want to draw disability. You get the idea where I am going im sure. Someone in a previous post said if they were not taxed so much they could afford medical insurance and take care of any family disatsers. It dont take much of a disaster to run up a medical bill of 200,000$. But dont worry because you have insurance. What about the ones who are not as fortunate as you to be able to afford insurance? You will say they can get free care at the emergency room. You will say they can just die because they are too lazy to work. You can ignore the problem because it dont affect you. People are dying in this country and thats a fact. Alot of people had rather pay taxes for a good road to drive on and pay taxes for unemployment benefits and for disability and could care less about the less fortunate. I care about the ones who cant afford anything but free air to breathe thats polluted.

[kyfanatic]

Yep,but it's okay to let MILLIONS of illegals cross into this country and run up enormous bills in free Healthcare,public schools and services,and our judicial/penal system.The total cost of these ILLEGALS is staggering,and most don't pay taxes.
Then again we can always send Billions to every 3rd world slime hole country that hates us to start with instead of helping those to sorry to work.Outsource our jobs offshore and expect us to pay for the product.
Please explain why someone who has worked their tail off their whole life to have something should be forced to give it up and make everyone equal?

[Chubminnow]

What about the ones who are not as fortunate as you to be able to afford insurance? You will say they can get free care at the emergency room. You will say they can just die because they are too lazy to work. You can ignore the problem because it dont affect you.

Got another example for you...I have a 19 year old nephew who has cancer (this is a true story, sad but true)...I think they call it Hodgekins Lymphoma or something)....anyway, he has had "some employment" but not much...completely ate up with the disease....but he was able to go to U of L and they have been treating him for it, hitting him with Chemo, etc...Hs stayed at University for three weeks, he was just released last weekend but now has to travel back and forth to the Brown Cancer Center daily for four to six weeks..not sure what all they are doing to him or with him, all I know is the ordeal he is going through...at 19 years of age. I'm not even sure he knows what a good health coverage plan really means or how important it is...but he's being taken care of...as for a place to live, etc...he lives with his mom and relies on extended family to take him to and from the Brown Cancer Center. Sure does sound to me like he's getting the treatment he requires, even without insurance.

[slippedcork]

Got another example for you...I have a 19 year old nephew who has cancer (this is a true story, sad but true)...I think they call it Hodgekins Lymphoma or something)....anyway, he has had "some employment" but not much...completely ate up with the disease....but he was able to go to U of L and they have been treating him for it, hitting him with Chemo, etc...Hs stayed at University for three weeks, he was just released last weekend but now has to travel back and forth to the Brown Cancer Center daily for four to six weeks..not sure what all they are doing to him or with him, all I know is the ordeal he is going through...at 19 years of age. I'm not even sure he knows what a good health coverage plan really means or how important it is...but he's being taken care of...as for a place to live, etc...he lives with his mom and relies on extended family to take him to and from the Brown Cancer Center. Sure does sound to me like he's getting the treatment he requires, even without insurance.

Chub, I will pray for your nephew and wish him the best. I am also glad he has a family to support him in his sickness and thanks to the doctors who are treating him. Since this is a real account of someones family member I will respect you and anything concerning your nephews sickness and hope the best for your nephew and the great family support he has. Best wishes!

[dpage70]

Suppose you and your wife have a car accident with lets say 3 children. The children and your wife are ok but you are paralized completely. You have the rent, electric,water,food and medical bills coming in that your wife cant meet. Who would you expect to come to the rescue? Taadaa, the government programs available to YOU! If you guessed something other than a gov program I am all EARS because I want to know how you and your wife would pay for all of these bills while keeping you alive? Sue the doctor would be an option, sue the person who caused your accident is a possibility. Other than that how would you provide for your family?

That ideology my friend is exactly the problem with the direction this country is going now. Here's how you take care of it. YOU save YOUR money and YOU don't overspend YOUR paycheck so YOU have enough money to build up an emergency fund to cover YOUR butt. You don't count on anything other than what YOU make. MY savings account is MINE and no one else's. This idea that the government should take care of me because I was to stupid to save my own money is pathetic. Sorry to use such harsh language but that crap just pisses me off to no end. Be responsible for your own actions and don't EXPECT the rest of us to do it for you. Some can't take care of themselves and I am more than happy to help out there but if you CAN take care of yourself then YOU are responsible for doing it, NOT ME. This administration wants me to pay for everyone else and that's just crap. My money is mine, I earn it, I save it, I'm responsible for it and I should be able to spend it in the manner that I want. I give to charities that help the needy, THAT'S MY CHOICE which is exactly what democracy IS. Telling me how I'm going to spend my money is what socialism IS. That's all I have to say about that.