It's not going to matter what proof is out there. They obviously won't believe it which is fine by me. And the guy training the dog was about 40' away when it was caught. About 20' away when a smaller 3# was caught. Great day it was, one I won't forget. I doubt I post here much if at all anymore. If anyone wants to go fishing somewhere or up at bluegrass drop me a line. I'm up there at least 4-5 times a week at various times of the day.