Coach Stinson

[Bobby Headrick]

Do you all agree or disagree with his aquittel. It seems that there are a lot of this happening these days, kid.s dying or getting sick at practice for football. When I played we pratcied the same as they do now and all though we complained whinned and passed out no one every died. We had a great coach at Tompkinsville High School, Larry Moore. He ran us and pushed us hard but never to hard. Is it because kids nowadays are accustomened to air conditioning, no reg exercise, we all had to haul hay.tobacco etc in the heat, so did that make us use to the heat? Lets hear some thoughts on this. As I think the coach was not to blame.

[bassin_bug]

Do you all agree or disagree with his aquittel. It seems that there are a lot of this happening these days, kid.s dying or getting sick at practice for football. When I played we pratcied the same as they do now and all though we complained whinned and passed out no one every died. We had a great coach at Tompkinsville High School, Larry Moore. He ran us and pushed us hard but never to hard. Is it because kids nowadays are accustomened to air conditioning, no reg exercise, we all had to haul hay.tobacco etc in the heat, so did that make us use to the heat? Lets hear some thoughts on this. As I think the coach was not to blame.

I don't know what all was going on at that specific time but I can tell you one thing for sure. High school and college students are drinking several energy drinks every day which are loaded with overdoses of caffeine. They are not steroids but act like steroids in that the caffeine enhances their endurance. It is not an illegal substance but it is highly addictive. I have had students tell me they drink so much of it that they are in a hazy surreal state of mind as if they had used methamphetamine; they described it as if they were walking on air, seeing vivid colors, and the voices of people seemed to be some distance away. One complained that he was so addicted to it that he couldn't sleep and his heart had a fast, pounding heartbeat and his chest was killing him. I personally know of two cases that happened this year where students died because of caffeine oveload that caused heart attacks.

I am not saying the student that you're talking about was doing caffeine but, if he was, that certainly could have caused him to overheat. There are adults that drink energy drinks instead of a cup of coffee and they don't seem to be affected in such a negative way. It probably has to do with the regularity and amount consumed.

I don't believe Coach Stinson intentionally drove the student too hard but I do believe there was some type of contributing factor other than the heat. jmo

[greenriverman1]

I don't know what all was going on at that specific time but I can tell you one thing for sure. High school and college students are drinking several energy drinks every day which are loaded with overdoses of caffeine. They are not steroids but act like steroids in that the caffeine enhances their endurance. It is not an illegal substance but it is highly addictive. I have had students tell me they drink so much of it that they are in a hazy surreal state of mind as if they had used methamphetamine; they described it as if they were walking on air, seeing vivid colors, and the voices of people seemed to be some distance away. One complained that he was so addicted to it that he couldn't sleep and his heart had a fast, pounding heartbeat and his chest was killing him. I personally know of two cases that happened this year where students died because of caffeine oveload that caused heart attacks.

I am not saying the student that you're talking about was doing caffeine but, if he was, that certainly could have caused him to overheat. There are adults that drink energy drinks instead of a cup of coffee and they don't seem to be affected in such a negative way. It probably has to do with the regularity and amount consumed.

I don't believe Coach Stinson intentionally drove the student too hard but I do believe there was some type of contributing factor other than the heat. jmo

I go to my local country store a few times a week at 6:00am. and have coffee with friends. As we sit we see lots of school kids come in and buy these drinks you speak of, along with snake cakes for breakfast. This is not healthy. I think these drinks should be taken off of the market.

I hate the fact that the coach and his loved ones had to go through this.

DA

[RoadToad]

I don't think he was to blame either, and given the medication the kid was taking, plus he was using Creatine, plus he may have been sick a few days before, add it all up and the jury certainly had plenty of room for "reasonable doubt," so I totally agree with his acquittal. And I don't think he'll be found liable in civil court, either. But as the coach said just the other day, nobody wins in this case. It's just a very sad thing.

[mhall]

Bobby you must have missed the other post we had on this but you'll be hard pressed to find anyone on this site that thought this man was guilty of anything.

I think today's young people for the most part are a bunch of Woosy's. Society and passive parents made them that way. Way too much everybody gets a trophy crap. Guess what people not everybody gets a trophy sometimes some of us just stink and that's life.
WAY TOO MUCH CODDELING in today's society with no consequences when you do bad.
In life there are wins and losses, up's and down's, happy days and Sad, and not everybody gets to frickin win all the time. Sometimes you gotta just plain ole LOOSE so you can know what life is really all about.

That man was treated like a common criminal while we release drug addict, stealing, raping thug punks everyday, it was a joke. The jury got it right, a big way to go from this camp.
Sorry for the rant but this is one of my biggest pet peaves is this love cures everything crap, sometimes a good swift kick in the ass is a whole lot better, I'm done.

[Bobby Headrick]

AMEN MARK AMEN. Yes I missed other post. I agree 100% if you played football, or any high school ball in the 70's/80's when you pratcied you pratcied. . I do think they over medicate kids today, it is very strange however that when spanking and corrective action was taken away from teachers , that ADHS became an eppidemic, now most all kids in school take some kind of calm me downer. Spare the rod spoil the child. Not talking about abuse either.

[Chubminnow]

I think today's young people for the most part are a bunch of Woosy's. Society and passive parents made them that way. Way too much everybody gets a trophy crap. Guess what people not everybody gets a trophy sometimes some of us just stink and that's life. WAY TOO MUCH CODDELING in today's society with no consequences when you do bad. In life there are wins and losses, up's and down's, happy days and Sad, and not everybody gets to frickin win all the time. Sometimes you gotta just plain ole LOOSE so you can know what life is really all about.

Testify brother Mark, TESTIFY!! Coach Stinson was doing what a football coach is supposed to do. The loss of a young mans life is a tragic event no matter what the case...be it drugs, shot by a gang member, a victim of a drunk driving accident or who knows what...just so happens that Max was a decent kid and living a respectable life as far as I know, which makes this entire ordeal a double tragedy in my opinion.

[mhall]

You guys should have seen me the first time my daughter was playing basketball in Grade School and I thought the scoreboard was broke. So I politely went down to talk to the folks about getting the scoreboard working and if they couldn't then whom was keeping score.

They look at me like I've got three heads and say, ''Sir...we don't keep score at this age it's not important and there are no loosers in this game''. Now keep in mind this is like the fourth grade. I look at that lady and say Mam with all due respect that the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile and I don't agree with it. My wife fussed at me, so what I'm use to that, lol. When the game was over ALL the kids ran up into the bleechers to ask their parents Who won the game. I of course kept score in my head and told my daughter what the outcome was. I remember playing Grade School basketball then on into Middle School and we had coaches that would look you dead in the eye and say ''Son if that is the best you can do than just sit down cause that ain't gonna cut it''.
Sure I got me little feelings hurt once and awhile but I wouldn't change it for a minute it makes you mentally and physically tough and that is how you make it in this world, not by being patted on yout little head all the dang time.

I am very sorry for the loss of this young and especially his parents. No parent should ever have to bury their kids. I've watched what it has done to my Mother having to do it twice, and it just plain stinks. But her blaming this man is not going to bring her son back, and she needs to let it go and Greeve properly.

[know1]

The grand jury should have never indicted him.

I think it speaks volumes that nobody else on the team had issues that day. If 2 or 3 of them had passed out or had medical problems, then he was likely pushing them too hard. If one person has a medical issue on a large team such as a football team, then the coach probably isn't to blame.

[DJD]

Bobby you must have missed the other post we had on this but you'll be hard pressed to find anyone on this site that thought this man was guilty of anything.

I think today's young people for the most part are a bunch of Woosy's. Society and passive parents made them that way. Way too much everybody gets a trophy crap. Guess what people not everybody gets a trophy sometimes some of us just stink and that's life.
WAY TOO MUCH CODDELING in today's society with no consequences when you do bad.
In life there are wins and losses, up's and down's, happy days and Sad, and not everybody gets to frickin win all the time. Sometimes you gotta just plain ole LOOSE so you can know what life is really all about.

That man was treated like a common criminal while we release drug addict, stealing, raping thug punks everyday, it was a joke. The jury got it right, a big way to go from this camp.
Sorry for the rant but this is one of my biggest pet peaves is this love cures everything crap, sometimes a good swift kick in the ass is a whole lot better, I'm done.

Bullseye! I played whatever sport was in season when I was growing up and I got bruised, slapped, pushed, spewed my wheaties, whined, bled and even played hurt. Just a part of growing up in sports as far as I'm concerned.

What happened was tragic but the man was innocent and I am 100% behind the decision.

Mark I take it your not into putting kids in ....time out?

[slippedcork]

The boys dad was there during practice. As a parent he should have noticed any symptoms 1st, not blaming the dad or coach in this one.