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That has to be the most IDIOTIC thing I've ever heard you SAY..........Originally Posted by pontooner
Do you EVEN know what a h1-b visa is..........I BET NOT.........ALL H1-b visas are being filled by HIGH tech, or PROFESSIONAL jobs. They cost a LOT, and require a pretty significant paycheck to make them worth it.
SHOW me 1 company that uses h1-b visas that are NOT high tech, professional, or health care, and I will TAKE it back.........
Later,
Geo
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Maybe you should take the time to read every post before calling out someone. I said I went and read up on the visas after making the post you refered to and admitted to my misinformation unlike most people on here. Note my follow up post.
Never said it was a good idea.
Again I took the time to do some reading and "EDUCATE" myself on it and and that's what many places had to say about the visa workers, whether you agree with it or not.
And fyi I will speak about it any time I fell like it, informed or uninformed.
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Had you took the time before POSTING, this would not had been even an issue........but you didn't.
SO, if "Many" sites disagree with my assessment...........please, BY ALL MEANS.......post links to those.
Later,
Geo
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Well that will happen when trying to post between commercials while watching football.
i jumped the gun with my post just like you did with your first reply.
I never said many sites disagreed with you assessment and as a matter of fact your first hand experience would have been a welcome learning tool but you post/replies came off as smug and had the I'm superior tone to them.
Maybe you should post some links that back up your assessments of the visa workers.
Anyway, what I was saying was that they don't just give these visas to just anyone you have to have a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent as a minmum and state licensure, if required to practice in that field.
This part is not directed directly at you Geo, so don't think it is. Just some random stuff.
This isn't just some new Obama idea either. They have been issuing theses visas for a while now.
The current law limits to 65,000 (but can be raised) the number of aliens who may be issued a visa or otherwise provided H-1B status. The numerical limitation was temporarily raised to 195,000 in FY2001, FY2002 and FY2003 due to the high demand that coincided with the dot-com bubble.
I still can not find any solid info for the 165,000 visas being issued by Obama that kyfanatic used.
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H1-B visa's really took off before the Y2K issues......Seems there were very few foreign workers in this field before then......there were some....maybe 5 percent of the workforce.
Now, though, some areas have 30% or more.
Some of it has to do with work ethic....some has to do with "perceived" expertise......and quite frankly some H1-B visa recipients are simply better.
The following are observations from working in IT for the past 25 years:
* MOST H1-B holders I've worked with come from Russia or India. Mostly India recently, but around 2000, they were mostly Russian, with the ocassional Korean.
* Most OVERWORK......meaning they have no issue working 70-80 hrs a week. This is seen as a positive.......they work their BUTTS off, but due to language barriers, competence levels, etc, etc, they rarely accomplish more working 80 hrs versus someone working 40 hrs........BUT the perceptions of HARD WORKING is there.
* Most cannot speak the language worth a CRAP......some can, most cannot. THIS leads to serious technical barriers, and often rework. I've been involved in more than 1 project that had to be reassigned from Offshore to ONSHORE to be done correctly........I'm mixing offshore and H1-B a little here, but the idea is the same.......H1-B workers just cost 4x as much as offshore, and they are pretty much paid EXACTLY what onshore workers are paid.
* Most are TASK oriented. Give them a task, and they will whip it out........probably EXACTLY as specified..........give them 20 tasks that need to integrate with other tasks, and FORGET IT....I think this is mostly language barrier related. AGAIN perception of "Hard worker" keeps them employed.
* Here is the KICKER..........H1-B visa workers start off as OFFSHORE workers. Once they know the systems, etc, etc, then they "migrate" from Offshore to H1-B. Now instead of worker A making 25% of what I do, they now MAKE WHAT I DO, and come here, SPONSORED, and take the job of a US Citizen......SCREW sending the jobs overseas.
* 1 out of every 3-4 H1-B workers are worth a CRAP...........I've worked with them in Development, PMO, IT Tech Support, and Database Administration..........1 out of every 20 are the BEST in the field.......and I MEAN SIMPLY ROCKING......I've only met or worked with a very few who are better than most of my peers.
I'm done for now......
Later,
Geo
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