Fort Hood Massacre

[bassin_bug]

I guess it is early in the game for the authorities to find out what was going on in this guys mind. But from what I gather he was born and raised in the US and the army footed the bill for a very nice education so he could be a shrink and then he goes bonkers and shoots American soldiers on his own base? Is that about the jist of it. It also said he argued with others about the war. Sounds like he got brainwashed listening to BinLaden and his group of nut jobs. But this guy is not dead but in the hospital, right? What a horrible horrible tradegy to happen. Its bad enough that soldiers are killed going over to fight the war on terrorism now they are not safe in their own country. That is just so wrong. hmmmm maybe this guy was really one of those Sleepers that wait and wait until they get the orders from BinLaden to attack. I dont know. Just thinking out loud.

I was mistaken about Nidal Hasan's birthplace. He was born and raised in Virginia but his parents were immigrants from Palestine near Jerusalem. About 15 minutes ago the NY Times reported that he told his brother he had serious problems with his deployment overseas because he would be fighting in a war that was killing his brother Muslims. He also made some horrible anti-American comments and expressed contempt for Americans in the classroom and on several websites. His instructors and doctors who supervised his internship heard him and not one of them reported it. I agree that he may have been part of a sleeper cell of terrorists, waiting for orders to attack. He has been taken off of life support and transferred to another hospital. Word is that he is still unable to speak. I wonder if that is self-imposed silence in order to keep from answering questions or if it is real.

[Big Gills]

Thanks for update info Bassin Bug. It really scares me when these terrorists live in the US and/or Canada and may have been born here but they are from Muslim backgrounds. They identify with BidLaden and the terrorists and are so brainwashed again the US. That was the problem we had up here a few summers ago. The terrorists would come into Canada and befriend Muslim teen boys and over time brainwash them. Our Federal Security dept and the RCMP arrested about 20 of them the night before they were ready to attack a nuclear power plant near Toronto and they were going to attack our Parliament Building in my city of Ottawa and behead our Prime Minister and bomb our Federal Security Dept. There would have been bombs going off all over Ontario.That was so scary. That seems to be the way terrorists are working now. Sneaking in the back door.

[DJD]

Our gubment track record is great....do nothing about illegals until it's impossible to fix it. Now do nothing about radical muslims until it's to late to fix.
The political system of bowing down to voters to get elected is killing us. The majority better get their head out of the sand and start voting for better candidates in Congress and holding them responsible for their lack of action!!

[HiDefFisherman]

I've just read several news stories about Hasan and his beliefs, as well as the Muslim response here in the U.S..

What concerned me the most is that his commanding officers at the military university where he got his master's degree felt they could not file an official complaint against him because they felt it would be seen as being "anti-muslim". And, that is what needs to be taken to heart. We, as a soceity, have got to quit saying every complaint is issued as a prejudice toward a person's ethnicity or religous beliefs. Sometimes, most times, complaints are just that, complaints about the individual.

Also, a co-founder of an Islamic group in Killeen Tx, and also a military man, if I read it correctly, said Hasan was having trouble with it being a fight against other Muslims. He told Hasan that Muslims had been fighting one another forever, but it did not seem to matter.

Remember, Catholics, Baptists, and other religous organizations have had people commit heinous crimes. As I recall from my history classes, Chritanity as a whole was often very brutal towards those they sought to convert. Remember the Crusades? Well, remember about learning about the Crusades?

One other thing that puzzeled me was that several stories said that Hasan was spreading anti-American sentiment via the internet, but an Army release (released anomously as the person was not authorized to speak about the issue) said that a study of Hasan's computer use had not shown any concerns, or something to that affect. How can there be so much conflicting information? That is a rhetorical question.

Tight lines,

HDF

[bassin_bug]

I've just read several news stories about Hasan and his beliefs, as well as the Muslim response here in the U.S..

What concerned me the most is that his commanding officers at the military university where he got his master's degree felt they could not file an official complaint against him because they felt it would be seen as being "anti-muslim". And, that is what needs to be taken to heart. We, as a soceity, have got to quit saying every complaint is issued as a prejudice toward a person's ethnicity or religous beliefs. Sometimes, most times, complaints are just that, complaints about the individual.

Also, a co-founder of an Islamic group in Killeen Tx, and also a military man, if I read it correctly, said Hasan was having trouble with it being a fight against other Muslims. He told Hasan that Muslims had been fighting one another forever, but it did not seem to matter.

Remember, Catholics, Baptists, and other religous organizations have had people commit heinous crimes. As I recall from my history classes, Chritanity as a whole was often very brutal towards those they sought to convert. Remember the Crusades? Well, remember about learning about the Crusades?

One other thing that puzzeled me was that several stories said that Hasan was spreading anti-American sentiment via the internet, but an Army release (released anomously as the person was not authorized to speak about the issue) said that a study of Hasan's computer use had not shown any concerns, or something to that affect. How can there be so much conflicting information? That is a rhetorical question.

Tight lines,

HDF

I'm with you on the different stories that are being reported. My honest opinion is that the newspapers, magazines, and TV news channels are all embellishing their reports in order to garner the most publicity. The more they sensationalize the more confusing the news becomes. I doubt that we will be able to read some of Hasan's postings because they were made on Islamic websites in Palestine, Lebanon, and Iran. I can't even tell you whether that much is correct or not because I read it an online newspaper.

[bassin_bug]

Here are a couple of web sites that give the Muslim's opinion on Nidal Malik Hasan and on Muslim infiltration of the US Military.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=115325

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115218

[HURRICANEBOB]

Here are a couple of web sites that give the Muslim's opinion on Nidal Malik Hasan and on Muslim infiltration of the US Military.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=115325

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115218

Good post, good to see all aspects of a situation. I just bear in mind there were weirdos out there that thought Charlie Manson was doing a good thing too. Again, good to be reminded we as Americans gotta to watch more than just the guy with the gun. The folks with voice are potentially dangerous too.

[HiDefFisherman]

I'm tired of Politically Correct and bowing down to uncivilized heathens,I'm tired of the loss in this country of plain common sense and the foundation that this country was built on,which wasn't shunning the Christian God and allowing Allah free reign.

Actually, this country was founded on the principle of religous freedom. The Church of England, a christian church, was what all people were required to be a part of. That is why most colonists came to the "new world", so they could pray the way they wanted, and be part of the church they chose, not what the government chose for them.

hdf

[HiDefFisherman]

Just had another thought...

Maybe we could employe the same strategy that was employeed in the past. Forgive my ignorance about this, but I think it was McCarthy?? It was the principle where those who looked different from the majority, in this particular case it was orientals, they were "imprisoned" just because of their ancestory. It sounds, from some of the remarks, that many would embrace that same idea again?

Fortunately, I am white, male, and have a German name, guess I am safe for now.

I am afraid I have to clarify this... all that above is sarcasim. We can not pre-judge anyone based upon their name, color, ancestry, or religion. It is just not right.

HDF

[DJD]

Just had another thought...

Maybe we could employe the same strategy that was employeed in the past. Forgive my ignorance about this, but I think it was McCarthy?? It was the principle where those who looked different from the majority, in this particular case it was orientals, they were "imprisoned" just because of their ancestory. It sounds, from some of the remarks, that many would embrace that same idea again?

Fortunately, I am white, male, and have a German name, guess I am safe for now.

I am afraid I have to clarify this... all that above is sarcasim. We can not pre-judge anyone based upon their name, color, ancestry, or religion. It is just not right.

HDF

I think we can bend the rules a little. I wonder at what point we be allowed to profile these radicals? People want to point out the problems with it but what about the problems without doing it?? It's gotta change.

[kyfanatic]

Funny that I never hear about Christians,Buddists,Atheists,Hindus,Scientologists ,or any other religion suicide bombing innocents except for the extremely rare psycho.

I don't care if your white,purple,or have a yellow streak up your back,allowing our soldiers and others to regularly die in the name of being politically correct is about as assanine as you can get.

[HiDefFisherman]

Funny that I never hear about Christians,Buddists,Atheists,Hindus,Scientologists ,or any other religion suicide bombing innocents except for the extremely rare psycho.

I don't care if your white,purple,or have a yellow streak up your back,allowing our soldiers and others to regularly die in the name of being politically correct is about as assanine as you can get.

Hey fanatic, thinks... calling me names means you are running out of intelligent things to say, and that means you are thinking, and stretching your mind.

Your sentence about not hearing about other religions having suicide bombers, I agree. But a while back, Christians sent soldiers on suicide fights to over throw other religions, such as Paganism.

Also, by the same standard you are using, all Catholics, who are just one sect of Christianity, could bring complete condemnation on Christians as pedophiles. After all, I've not heard of non-christian preachers sexually accosting young people. Doesn't mean they don't, but I just haven't herd of it. That doesn't mean all Christians, or even all Catholics are pedophiles. Heck, my aunt was a Nun, she was a principle in Evansville, many, many years ago, of a Catholic church. I can assure you, she was never a pedophile, and I feel very confident in adding, while she was the executive assistant to the Priest who was in charge of their Parrish, if that is the right terminology (I left the Catholic church a very long time ago) anyway, I feel very confident that priest was not a pedophile, and I considered him a very good friend and friend of the family. He joined us for almost every single family get together.

Anyway, what I am saying, let's continue our discussion in a civilized way. I appreciate reading and hearing differing oppinions. I find it helps me learn more, and think more.

HDF