Act of Violence or TERRORISM........

[slippedcork]

Every day.........you say something to try to bait people..........

Every day............you say something STUUPID............

Do you even own a rod, a reel..........a rifle...........a tree stand.........ANY...........

I'm just askin.........

I've never heard or seen you post anything on the REAL boards here.

Check that............I just counted your posts...........of 306 total posts, 17.......count them....17 have anything to do with hunting or fishing.......

Why don't you take your TROLLING butt somewhere else.

There should be a RULE that you have to be an active participant in other discussions to post GARBAGE here..........

Your right, there should be a rule! You must know what your talking about before allowed to respond.

[RICHYD4U]

He was a muslim, so what! Every day american kids are abducted, mollested and killed. Every day someone has an abortion! Every day a spouse is murdered! Every day a home is broken into and someone is killed! Every day it aint a muslim doing this! I dont agree with their faith and dont condone what he did but its not the every day muslim killing people in this country!

It wasn't that he was a muslim, it was that he was a radical muslim who was associating with other radicals with ties to Al Qaeda. Don't try and make more out of it than it is. It has nothing to do with discrimination against the Muslim religion. As soon as you start believing in virgins and death to the infidels...associating with radicals with ties to Al Qaeda....then its a problem...a big problem...and the FBI should have taken care of him. If it wasn't for the fear of being politically correct, and trying not to offend Muslims, the FBI probably would have. That's what we get for having to be so worried about political correctness.

-Rich

[slippedcork]

Geo, I shouldnt have responded like I did. This topic is not about you or me, its about people loosing their lives. We can clear this up in a PM but not here.

[HURRICANEBOB]

There should be a RULE that you have to be an active participant in other discussions to post GARBAGE here..........

Well, I'm active so does that "qualify me" to leave "garbage"? Do I need other qualifications to instead leave just a personal opinion subject to open review and comment?

Here goes. As a retired military guy, I'm gonna wait and see what Hasan "says" his motive was, and wait for more from the FBI, CIA etc. Real radicals, even if caught, will often proclaim it.

I just don't want to put words in the guys mouth, assume his motives, or categorize a senseless act without hearing it from the horse's mouth.

I think he had strong religious Muslim beliefs, and with the pressures of treating fellow soldiers and fears of going where bullets fly, just went insane.....wacko....loose planks on deck. I think his "planning" was that of a deranged mind. I condemn his actions, am embarrassed he wore an Army uniform when he did it, and hope an Army Court sends him to a long free stay at Leavenworth while he awaits the Army's personal reservations for him to meet Allah.

I really think if it was a "planned terrorist attack", there would have been far more than one gun man and the results would have been worse.

Just my opinion and value those of others.

PS: I reinforced my monitor with sandbags before sending this. So, I'm prepared for the response..........GROUND ZERO IS PREPARED! Be gentle, I'm not scheduled to get serious till next Thursday at 1:00 pm.

[HURRICANEBOB]

He was a muslim, so what! Every day american kids are abducted, mollested and killed. Every day someone has an abortion! Every day a spouse is murdered! Every day a home is broken into and someone is killed! Every day it aint a muslim doing this! I dont agree with their faith and dont condone what he did but its not the every day muslim killing people in this country!

Agreed! I'm more afraid to visit the Bronks in New York or the North end of Detroit then I am being in the presence of folks from the middle East.

And yep......for the record......I been to all 3.

Check the link below.

http://projects.nytimes.com/crime/homicides/map

[mhall]

It is refreshing and educating to see what people who do not live here have to say. Thanks Gills!

I think more than your cork has slipped, slippedcork.

I agree Tim. She is very insightful.

[Big Gills]

awww thanks guys!! You are the best! Nobody has told me to shut up yet which I find very nice. I really enjoy this board and how we can voice our feelings about important subjects.

[HiDefFisherman]

100% CORRECT!!!

Take down one sand bag! LOL

HDF

Well, I'm active so does that "qualify me" to leave "garbage"? Do I need other qualifications to instead leave just a personal opinion subject to open review and comment?

Here goes. As a retired military guy, I'm gonna wait and see what Hasan "says" his motive was, and wait for more from the FBI, CIA etc. Real radicals, even if caught, will often proclaim it.

I just don't want to put words in the guys mouth, assume his motives, or categorize a senseless act without hearing it from the horse's mouth.

I think he had strong religious Muslim beliefs, and with the pressures of treating fellow soldiers and fears of going where bullets fly, just went insane.....wacko....loose planks on deck. I think his "planning" was that of a deranged mind. I condemn his actions, am embarrassed he wore an Army uniform when he did it, and hope an Army Court sends him to a long free stay at Leavenworth while he awaits the Army's personal reservations for him to meet Allah.

I really think if it was a "planned terrorist attack", there would have been far more than one gun man and the results would have been worse.

Just my opinion and value those of others.

PS: I reinforced my monitor with sandbags before sending this. So, I'm prepared for the response..........GROUND ZERO IS PREPARED! Be gentle, I'm not scheduled to get serious till next Thursday at 1:00 pm.

[Tim_T]

He was a muslim, so what! Every day american kids are abducted, mollested and killed. Every day someone has an abortion! Every day a spouse is murdered! Every day a home is broken into and someone is killed! Every day it aint a muslim doing this! I dont agree with their faith and dont condone what he did but its not the every day muslim killing people in this country!

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II,
owned a number of large industries and estates.
When asked how many German people were true Nazis,
the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

"Very few people were true Nazis," he said, "but many enjoyed the
return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care.
I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools.
So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen.

Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and
the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a
concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories."

We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking heads" that
Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just
want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be
true, it is entirely irrelevant.

It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to
somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in
the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It
is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50
shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically
slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually
taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave.
It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder or honor-kill.
It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque.
It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning
and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals.
It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.
The hard quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority,
the "silent majority," is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace,
yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people.
The peaceful majority was irrelevant.

China 's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists
managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a war mongering sadist.
Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing
that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians;
most killed by sword, shovel and bayonet.

And who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery.
Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were "peace loving"?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason,
we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:
Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.

Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up,
because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find
that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs,
Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and many
others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until
it was too late.

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only
group that counts: the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

[mhall]

Wow.........................Tim T that post was awesome buddy. There it is to read folks in black and white. Choose to learn it and except it or place your head in the sand and hope it never visits your little corner of life.

Fantastic post Tim!

[Tim_T]

I can't take credit for it Mark, it was on another site.

[bassin_bug]

He was a muslim, so what! Every day american kids are abducted, mollested and killed. Every day someone has an abortion! Every day a spouse is murdered! Every day a home is broken into and someone is killed! Every day it aint a muslim doing this! I dont agree with their faith and dont condone what he did but its not the every day muslim killing people in this country!

But on THAT DAY, it WAS a Muslim that slaughtered Americans; a Muslim that the military knew about and did NOTHING. The reason? He was only emailing HIS Sunni Muslim Imam in another country; who just happened to be one of the most violent on this planet. Husan had, at one time attended his temple and sat under his teachings to "Kill all the American soldiers they could." The day they read his emails, he was just getting the Imam's opinion on the deaths of Muslims killed in Iraq and Afghanistan for a "research paper." The military essentially gave him a "free pass" because of his religion. They knew he should been given a dishonorable discharge but he was a "hot potato." Because he was a Muslim talking to his Imam, nobody in the military wanted to be accused of kicking out a Muslim.

They knew, or should have known, that terrorists don't outright announce plans for terrorist attacks; they write and talk in code.

I challenge you to move into a neighborhood of "peaceful" Muslims in the United States and count the number of crimes against both adults and children. How often do you hear a criminal's religion mentioned when he commits a crime? Keep in mind that a Muslim Imam masterminded a NY parking garage bombing by teaching how to do it and using members of his temple. By the way, a group was started by Louis Farrakahn who, along with Malcolm X was a leader in the Black Panther Party, a group of violent blacks whose sole intent was to kill all the whites. When Malcolm X was killed, Farrakahn was next on the hit list and went into hiding, later emerging as Reverend Farrakahn, a Muslim preaching peace" just like Martin Luther King," he said. He dissolved the Muslim church and went back underground, emerging 3 years later with a different Muslim teaching/religion. Farrakahn got spooked again over the Malcolm X hit list and went back into hiding. He emerged as this pious Imam who came to preach peace; his congregation holds many Black Panthers who are slipping out forming a new group. I believe those Muslims have a very dark side but am not saying that all American Muslims align themselves with Farrakahn's teachings. I hope the United States doesn't fall further into complacency; lulled to sleep by the word "peaceful." Time will tell.