PLEASE, Help me open my mind!!!

[DJD]

Thanks for the reply, I am rather consistent, been that way all my life.

No problem just watch out for thugs in your area. They are a national security threat and I hear they are associated with alot of terrorists. Oneday we might even fight a war against them......

[HiDefFisherman]

RoadToad, you are right, I was wrong to be sarcastic and say I was serious, but actually I was. It is a paradox, and not one easy to explain, even when you understand it, and that is why I say I was wrong to do it.

The bigger picture was simply that so many started to call for restrictions being placed upon innoccent Americans, whose only "crime" is that they share a religion with Zealots who are lunatics. By the same logic, one could say all Catholics should be prevented from holding any job that has them interact with children, and basing that stance upon the actions of a few Catholic Priests.

When I first began defending the rights of these Americans I was attacked. I asked only that the attackers keep an open mind. They did not. So I decided maybe I could ask them to help open my mind to their point of view. Apperently they could not do so, as they attacked me again. I can only take away from this action that they have no defense for their stancs.

I am sorry I ever tried to protect any group from being prejudged, and being treated unfairly... OK, OK... I am being sarcastic again.

I am glad to see that the attacks so far have not yet crossed any of Grumpy's rules, or gotten too personal. No that is not sarcasm. I have defended the rights of people on here to disagree without descending into out and out profanity. I have obviously not been listened to, as those threads remained locked at Grumpy's decision.

I am also sorry that the one guy that responed felt he was ... sorry don't remember the adjective he used, but I did not intend to insult anyone's intelligence. I did only ask that they present me arguements that would support their cries for limiting certain individual's rights based upon religion. Now I've had my alligence to the country I live in questioned.

Oh Well... I have a philisophical question, one that would tell a lot about each person who answers it, but I doubt that it would be accepted as a true question, and I also predict that many would refuse to answer it without really considering the true ramifications of what the question means. Again, not questioning intelligence, but I am saying that most seem to react only with a closed mind, and won't even consider the broader implications of a topic.

If you would like to discuss this, please PM me, and we can do it via email. Or if you like, you can email me directly at [email protected]

I do honestly thank you for a considered response.

HDF

Sarcasm on a message board like this is virtually always misunderstood. Even face to face, it can be hard to recognize sarcasm from someone you don't know. On a message board it's practically impossible. And the fact that you said, "Really, I am serious..." doesn't help.

Maybe I'm being obtuse, but even knowing that you were being sarcastic, I still don't really understand what "bigger picture" you're trying to communicate. Do you mind just spelling it out in black and white? I'm not trying to start a fight or anything; in fact I THINK I might agree with some of your points. Really.

[HiDefFisherman]

You may as well be talking to a fence post; he doesn't "get it." Women make him nervous and give him an inferiority complex. I wonder if his head was damaged when his wife spanked him on the BUTT. Maybe you should start talking up his "tailpipe." An enema might even open up his ears. lol

Careful 'bug...

You have made some posts that have clearly touted your morality and ethical stance, and you are getting pretty personal here. Normally our moderator doesn't like 'personal' attacks. Perhaps he is just letting it slide because it is from a Woman??

And let me be clear here, you may or may not be a woman. That is the greatest thing about the internet... you can be whoever you want to be and claim to be whatever you want to claim. Heck, I could claim to have advanced degrees in Physics, Astrophysics, Exobiology, and Philosophy. But that would not make it either true or false.

I still say, we should all just go fishing...

HDF

[DJD]

RoadToad, you are right, I was wrong to be sarcastic and say I was serious, but actually I was. It is a paradox, and not one easy to explain, even when you understand it, and that is why I say I was wrong to do it.

The bigger picture was simply that so many started to call for restrictions being placed upon innoccent Americans, whose only "crime" is that they share a religion with Zealots who are lunatics. By the same logic, one could say all Catholics should be prevented from holding any job that has them interact with children, and basing that stance upon the actions of a few Catholic Priests.

When I first began defending the rights of these Americans I was attacked. I asked only that the attackers keep an open mind. They did not. So I decided maybe I could ask them to help open my mind to their point of view. Apperently they could not do so, as they attacked me again. I can only take away from this action that they have no defense for their stancs.

I am sorry I ever tried to protect any group from being prejudged, and being treated unfairly... OK, OK... I am being sarcastic again.

I am glad to see that the attacks so far have not yet crossed any of Grumpy's rules, or gotten too personal. No that is not sarcasm. I have defended the rights of people on here to disagree without descending into out and out profanity. I have obviously not been listened to, as those threads remained locked at Grumpy's decision.

I am also sorry that the one guy that responed felt he was ... sorry don't remember the adjective he used, but I did not intend to insult anyone's intelligence. I did only ask that they present me arguements that would support their cries for limiting certain individual's rights based upon religion. Now I've had my alligence to the country I live in questioned.

Oh Well... I have a philisophical question, one that would tell a lot about each person who answers it, but I doubt that it would be accepted as a true question, and I also predict that many would refuse to answer it without really considering the true ramifications of what the question means. Again, not questioning intelligence, but I am saying that most seem to react only with a closed mind, and won't even consider the broader implications of a topic.

If you would like to discuss this, please PM me, and we can do it via email. Or if you like, you can email me directly at [email protected]

I do honestly thank you for a considered response.

HDF

So you have to take this victim role huh? Come on man....How many times you gonna use that?
People attacked you? Your just being sarcastic but being honest? We have closed minds because you don't like what we say? Your gonna aploogize for our reply's?
Don't feel the need to worry about me or my thoughts...I do very well with how I look at this world and with the people I meet in business and in my personal life. If you don't like different takes on your questions then just open your mind a little more or don't ask.
It will be ok, the Sun should come up tomorrow....we will still be fighting a war, Radical Muslims will be killing people and your opinions will be yours. Have a wonderful day!

[RoadToad]

I do honestly thank you for a considered response.

HDF

You're welcome.

RoadToad, you are right, I was wrong to be sarcastic and say I was serious, but actually I was. It is a paradox, and not one easy to explain, even when you understand it, and that is why I say I was wrong to do it.

Huh?

The bigger picture was simply that so many started to call for restrictions being placed upon innoccent Americans, whose only "crime" is that they share a religion with Zealots who are lunatics. By the same logic, one could say all Catholics should be prevented from holding any job that has them interact with children, and basing that stance upon the actions of a few Catholic Priests.

When I first began defending the rights of these Americans I was attacked. I asked only that the attackers keep an open mind. They did not. So I decided maybe I could ask them to help open my mind to their point of view. Apperently they could not do so, as they attacked me again. I can only take away from this action that they have no defense for their stancs.

I am sorry I ever tried to protect any group from being prejudged, and being treated unfairly... OK, OK... I am being sarcastic again.

I am glad to see that the attacks so far have not yet crossed any of Grumpy's rules, or gotten too personal. No that is not sarcasm. I have defended the rights of people on here to disagree without descending into out and out profanity. I have obviously not been listened to, as those threads remained locked at Grumpy's decision.

I am also sorry that the one guy that responed felt he was ... sorry don't remember the adjective he used, but I did not intend to insult anyone's intelligence. I did only ask that they present me arguements that would support their cries for limiting certain individual's rights based upon religion. Now I've had my alligence to the country I live in questioned.

Oh Well... I have a philisophical question, one that would tell a lot about each person who answers it, but I doubt that it would be accepted as a true question, and I also predict that many would refuse to answer it without really considering the true ramifications of what the question means. Again, not questioning intelligence, but I am saying that most seem to react only with a closed mind, and won't even consider the broader implications of a topic.

If you would like to discuss this, please PM me, and we can do it via email. Or if you like, you can email me directly at [email protected]

Nothing personal, but I'll pass on the PM/email exchange. Anything I have to say on the subject, I'd prefer to share with everyone on the board. And just because you predict you wouldn't like the responses you would get is no reason not to ask a question. You might be surprised, unless you've already passed judgment, which to me it seems you have. In fact, when I re-read your post, and then think back to a statement you made in another thread about how you don't think you're liked "because you like to think logically," I can't help but think that you consider yourself somehow superior to the rest of us.

[bassin_bug]

Save me the search and tell how many americans were killed in this country and outside by people of muslim faith. Then do a comparison of the people killed only in this country by people who are non muslim. You will be suprised im sure. I dont agree with anything a muslim does or their faith, but to believe their purpose is solely to eradicate americans is redicolous. Yes the extremist believe this but the kkk want to rid the blacks for a simple comparrison. Another comparrison is if you cant afford healthcare you can simply die and the problem is solved.

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I'll take on the challenge. The following is a blog that has been blocked but you can read it if you go to YAHOO Search and enter the question "How many Americans have been killed by Muslims?" The results will pop up. Click on the site that is titled "Muslims kill thousands of Americans." The address is http://www.datehookup.com/Thread_369141.htm. You CANNOT reach it if you click on it from this reply. The way I have told you is the ONLY way to read this page. Go to the website and READ THE WHOLE PAGE. When you reach the discussion board, look on the left side of their post and see their names, ages, and the city in which they live. Also watch the video. They are not foreigners and many of them are not patriotic Americans.

Let me remind you that Muslims killed 3,000 Americans in ONE day in the United States. Get your head out of your butt and STOP defending the SOBs; you don't know anything about them.

[bassin_bug]

Careful 'bug...

You have made some posts that have clearly touted your morality and ethical stance, and you are getting pretty personal here. Normally our moderator doesn't like 'personal' attacks. Perhaps he is just letting it slide because it is from a Woman??

And let me be clear here, you may or may not be a woman. That is the greatest thing about the internet... you can be whoever you want to be and claim to be whatever you want to claim. Heck, I could claim to have advanced degrees in Physics, Astrophysics, Exobiology, and Philosophy. But that would not make it either true or false.

I still say, we should all just go fishing...

HDF

You have just made a personal attack against me and have the nerve to try and chastise me for the post I made. I THINK NOT.

That was not a personal attack and the reason you called it such is because you are trying to get me into trouble with the moderator. Stand up and be a man and stop goading Grumpy into sending me a warning. I am proud to say I am a woman and Grumpy doesn't discriminate when it comes to gender. He agreed with one of my posts and you came unglued so, to make you feel better, you essentially are saying, "Sic her, Grumpy."

I don't have to lie about my education, I have the paperwork to prove it and the State License to back it up. If you have an educational deficiency, DEAL WITH IT.

[RICHYD4U]

I simply said he should be more concerned with a community thug than radical muslim.

I generally don't participate in these types of debates (they never end pretty), but this statement just blew my mind! More concerned with a community thug than a radical muslim??? Has to be a joke, right?

-Rich

[GeoFisher]

Guys.........Slipped has made exactly 17 posts on anything BUT the off topic board. He is a TROLL........treat him as such, and be done with his antics.......

He probably came hear because someone told him about it.........NOTHING ELSE.....

I really think he likes listening to himself........probably because no one else can STAND to......hell his own friends probably kick his butt every time they talk.

Later,

Geo