Huskies and Cats

[Tim_T]

Timmy, Timmy, Timmy maybe your just old or unhealthy. but in my lifetime UK has already won 3, we need 4 more. I don't know how long pitino was there but he won 2 championships. you can say tubby won one if you want too. but it was pitino that had everything in place. and don't get me wrong, I'm not a tubby basher he just seemed to be more of a buddy to the players than the coach.
back on subject, we had a high quality coach for maybe eight years I'm not sure 3 years if I remember were on ncaa suspension. so in five years we got 2 championships. so therefore if calipari stays 10 years and has pitino's luck it is very possible to tie the championships.

And as far as the most penalized team. Please they all cheat in there own ways, and if you think they don't your crazy. So go ahead and be a hater, knowing you will always be 2nd place or worse

Wow, I am not even sure where to start. I am 42-years-old. In my lifetime UK has won three, Joe B. in '78, Rick in '96 and Tubby in '98. I also remember the years between 78 and 96. That was when UK made the Final Four once and then the coach got them put on probabtion for the second time. The "the all cheat" argument is old and tired. It doesn't wash if you look at facts.

If you want to have a sports knowledge argument, or a college basketball trivia contest, feel free to bring it. UK is the most penalized sports team in a BCS conference, and the $EC is the most penalized sports conference now that the Southwest Conference was disbanded.

"so therefore if calipari stays 10 years and has pitino's luck it is very possible to tie the championships." Calipari has never coached in a Final Four! Don't believe me? Look it up LOL.

They all cheat in their own way huh and if I don't think so then I am crazy?

Ever been in a college basketball or football press conference? Ever sit on press row at a college football or basketball game? Ever talked to anybody directly involved in college sports?

You are traveling down a road that could end up bad for you. This is like arguing bass fishing with Dave Stewart, you cannot win unless you are KVD or Skeet.

[Trophyhunter8]

Well I must say you are right about Dave, I don't think Skeet or KVD would necessarily win. I am not in the in, maybe you are. But it seems to me in any sport everybody cheats. Nascar Earnhardt for a few years had a different angle on his valves, he kicked butt. Rusty wallace had pop rivets in his car for inspection. then the first bump they would pop his car would drop a little. Harry gant ran fuel line threw his roll cage got hime 1/2 gallon more fuel.

Do you think the pro-fisherman really stay off limits for their 30 days or whatever, come on they have buddies everywhere.

Basketball you probably no more than me. But at the top 20 schools It seems to me the top recruits want something other than a college degree and I don't blame them, they should get paid. look at how much the schools make off of them.

Gillespie, I think he would have cheated in a second.
Tubby, wouldn't think he would.
Pitino just on his wife haha but look at tiger
Calipari I don't think he needs too
Coach k no way

The superstar coaches I believe the good players want to play for
The others I think they cheat, and if they don't the rich alumni probably do it for them

But you are younger than I thought so we should live long enough to see.
All I know is right now UK is close to being on top.
And I do not see why a UL fan can hate UK, if they can not win why not root for the cats
I would absolutely love a championship game UK-UL can you imagine

Ok. off my soap box again and your right I don't have any ties with anybody that puts me in the know.

[DJD]

Coach Cal took UMASS to the championship game against UK and lost to Pitino but I know they took that away! Kinda sad cause that was a great game.
Dang Camby.....

[Tim_T]

Coach Cal took UMASS to the championship game against UK and lost to Pitino but I know they took that away! Kinda sad cause that was a great game.
Dang Camby.....

Actually Don, that was the semifinal game in the Meadowlands in New Jersey. The Championship game was vs. Syracuse. UMass had beaten UK early in the season that year.

[kyfanatic]

I will tell you what, we could place a sizeable wager on that. No way Kentucky will have more championships than UCLA during our lifetime. Do you realize how much luck plays a factor in winning in the tourney?

Oh and congrats, you still have one of the most penalized athletic programs in the history of the NCAA!

Btw John Wall is freckin awesome. Last time I saw a freshman like that was Chris Jackson at LSU.

You might want to check facts before spouting off at the mouth.


Kansas is the most penalized High Major with several other Big 12 teams next to them,If you want I'll show you that UL has as many infractions as UK and more recent as a matter of fact.Would you like to see hater?

[kyfanatic]

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/NCAAN...e/3343n06.html

The NCAA News - News Features
December 2, 1996

Louisville placed on probation for two years
The NCAA Committee on Infractions placed the University of Louisville on probation for two years for NCAA rules violations concerning recruiting, extra benefits and preferential treatment.

The case arose from questions concerning a men's basketball student-athlete's use of two cars during the summer and fall of 1995. The university withheld the student-athlete on two occasions from a total of 12 basketball games as a result of concerns that he may have received impermissible benefits. After reviewing the university's response to the official inquiry and the evidence presented at the hearing, the committee determined that a booster improperly provided these vehicles, insurance and payment for parking tickets to the student-athlete in violation of NCAA rules. The student-athlete believed his father had purchased the car the student-athlete drove in the fall of 1995. The committee did not find sufficient evidence to conclude that the student-athlete knew that his father had not done so.

The committee commended the university for its thorough investigation of the case, noting that all but one of the violations were discovered by the university and reported to the NCAA. University investigators discovered that a number of fraudulent documents had been created without the university's knowledge in an attempt to hide NCAA violations. The committee's report noted, "Without the university's extensive investigative efforts in this matter, it is unlikely that sufficient information to support one of the more serious violations in this case would have been developed."

The NCAA Committee on Infractions heard this case September 21, 1996. Representatives of the university, Conference USA and the NCAA enforcement staff appeared before the Committee.

The violations found by the committee included:


During the summer of 1995, a men's basketball student-athlete had extensive personal use of a 1995 Ford Explorer owned by his summer employer. At the end of the student-athlete's summer employment, the employer also paid for the removal of a car stereo the student-athlete had installed. Because these benefits were not generally available to other part-time employees, they violated NCAA legislation. These violations did not involve any responsibility on the part of the university because the company and its president were not representatives of the university's athletics interests at the time of the violations. However, the university determined that the company and its president became representatives, or boosters, as a result of providing these benefits to the student-athlete.

From September 6 to December 5, 1995, the men's basketball student-athlete received extra benefits from the booster, his summer employer, when he was provided the exclusive use of a 1991 Honda Accord, insurance and payment for parking tickets. The student-athlete believed his father purchased the automobile for him.

On June 21, 1995, a men's basketball student-athlete received extra benefits from a booster who cosigned a credit application at an electronics store and provided local transportation and a lunch.

From February to May 1995, a booster who was a former volunteer strength coach made improper telephone and in-person recruiting contacts with, and impermissible cash offers to, a men's basketball prospective student-athlete and his summer basketball coach. An assistant men's basketball coach and the head men's basketball coach were aware of at least some of the contacts but failed to report the information to university administrators. The booster also had impermissible recruiting contacts with a second men's basketball prospect.

In June 1995, an assistant men's basketball coach provided a small amount of cash to a men's basketball student-athlete.

There were a number of secondary violations.
In determining appropriate penalties, the committee considered Louisville's corrective actions, including:


Adopted steps to improve documentation and rules compliance regarding telephone recruiting.

Implemented procedures to enhance compliance with NCAA guidelines on student-athlete employment, including reviewing the rules with student-athletes and providing information on the rules to summer employers.

Implemented a requirement for pre- and postsummer employment surveys for full scholarship student-athletes, including football and men's basketball, in addition to the postsummer audit for all sports.

Required all football and men's basketball student-athletes to complete automobile registration forms at the beginning of each school year. Assigned the university parking services office to monitor the information reported on the forms.

Implemented procedures to require volunteer coaches to pass the NCAA coaches certification test, fill out a detailed application form, consent to a background check and attend an orientation meeting for new personnel.

Tightened security at athletics events to ensure that media credentials are not transferred to unauthorized people.

Issued letters to two boosters informing them of their status as representatives of the university and cautioning them for their involvement in violations.

Issued letters of reprimand to an assistant men's basketball coach, part-time assistant men's basketball coach and the head men's basketball coach.
The Committee on Infractions adopted penalties self-imposed by the university as its own, including:


Prohibition against recruiting activities by an assistant men's basketball coach from November 17, 1995, to June 30, 1996, and imposition of a salary freeze for one year.

Decision not to hire a replacement for an assistant men's basketball coach for five months after he resigned, resulting in a reduction by one in the number of coaches for that period.

Disassociation of two representatives of the university's athletics interests.

Prohibition of all telephone contact between basketball coaching staff members and a prospective student-athlete and his family from July 4 to September 20, 1995.

Requirement that two assistant men's basketball coaches attend an NCAA regional compliance seminar.
The Committee on Infractions imposed penalties, including:


Two years of probation, beginning September 21, 1996.

Requirement to continue to develop and implement a comprehensive educational program on NCAA legislation.

Requirement to send the men's basketball coaching staff to an NCAA regional compliance seminar.

Recertification of the institution's current athletics policies and practices.
As required by NCAA legislation for any institution in a major infractions case, Louisville is subject to the NCAA's repeat-violator provisions for a five-year period beginning on the effective date of the penalties in this case, September 21, 1996.

Should the University of Louisville wish to appeal this decision, it must submit a written notice of appeal to the NCAA executive director no later than 15 days from the date of this release. The Infractions Appeals Committee, a separate group, hears such appeals.

The members of the Committee on Infractions who heard this case are Richard J. Dunn, divisional dean of humanities, University of Washington; Jack H. Friedenthal, dean of the school of law, George Washington University; Frederick B. Lacey, attorney, LeBoeuf, Lamb, Greene and MacRae, and a retired judge; Beverly F. Ledbetter, vice-president and general counsel, Brown University; James L. Richmond, retired judge and attorney; Yvonne (Bonnie) L. Slatton, chair of the department of physical education and sports studies, University of Iowa; and committee chair David Swank, professor of law, University of Oklahoma.

The complete report of the Committee on Infractions appears in the December 2 issue of The NCAA Register.

[elnutsmalljaws]

Big Blue fan no doubt, be a LONG time before the ever put UCLA aside for the most titles, Pitino did win it in 96 but don't think for one second that he could take that team in 98 to the title completely Tubby did this and I don't care if it was with players from Pitinos team the 96 team beats the 98 team by 20 points or more, Gillespie would cheat in a heart beat and still would STINK as a coach, Calipari would cheat in a heart beat if it meant his team would overall drop from the limelight, all coaches cheat but to what degree is another story. John Wall is the best point guard that I have seen in college bar none since Jason Kidd at Cal a LONG time ago and really think he is better than Jason at the same time. Bledsoe will be a much better point next year after playing the 2 this year. UK better find some outside consistent shooting, IE Dobson or Miller, or it will be a long day against a good zone when they come up against it. Wall is so good that even Patterson is not the first name mentioned by anyone. Patterson is about the 10th name mentioned by the top 9 that all have the last name Wall.

[Trophyhunter8]

See elnut has a better way of saying it. However I do disagree with the championships being out of reach. I don't beleive it will take that long. I bet 15 years. Other than that I totally agree with the nut

[Tim_T]

You might want to check facts before spouting off at the mouth.


Kansas is the most penalized High Major with several other Big 12 teams next to them,If you want I'll show you that UL has as many infractions as UK and more recent as a matter of fact.Would you like to see hater?

I was not spouting off at the mouth, any chance you left any of your facts out? Please show me all of the post season bans the Cards have received.....I am waiting, o yes that is right, NONE.

Let me rephrase that U of L has minor infractions while your Kayuts have MAJOR infractions that almost got them the death penalty. The Kayuts (I am trying to say it like the guys that call the Big Blue line) have been penalized since the days of Adolph Rupp. Point shaving, paying players etc. No Comparison. Nice try though, I can spend a month rehashing UK's violations if you would like, but it will be after the weekend is over before I get to it.

Sports Illustrated: "KENTUCKY SHAME"