Cumberland River Shock results are SAD !!!

[RICHYD4U]

i for one one have fished waters of the west for trout. Dont see where theres that big a differance is. U spook a trout he runs. Caught trout on nothing ,but a gold bare hook out west. Caught monster rainbows in Michagan in not much more than a ditch. Cumberland is far from the tragic lose its being made out to be. I have had a banner year on the river. Best so far since repair work has began. Change your style cover more ground. If your not catching the trophey fish dont think their not out there they are. we've landed the big boys just not broken any records. Keep your eyes open you'll see them they are out there. I've been fishing the cumberland since the early 80's i've not seen it all,but i've seen a lot.It's not gonna die.

The difference is the waters out west have always had trout and are cold waters in which trout dominate. If you can't see a difference between the trout fisheries out west, and the CR....well, I can't help ya. Apparently you haven't fished the Green River in WY, or the Snake River in ID, or the Salmon river in ID, or the Provo River in UT, or the Weber River in UT, or Strawberry Reservior in UT, or Hams Fork in WY, or Henry's Lake in ID, Yellowstone River in WY (try catching fish in any of these with a "bare gold hook")....I could go on and on with examples. The simple fact is, if anybody had a choice to go fishing for trout, those would be on the top of their list (if they new anything about top trout fisheries) and if they wanted to fish for bass, they would come here..............as I said in my previous post, trout are not native here, nor are the conditions suitable for trout without man made dams. That is a HUGE difference. You can catch trout out west in a "ditch" or even a tiny creek that rolled out of a mountain canyon, full of fisty rainbows and native cutthroat (ran by my house).

I love the CR, and have stated that for years on here. I know its not going to die, never said it would, it's just going to take years for recovery. Face it or not, the river looks like crap. Nasty colored water, algae everywhere, and water temps sky high (for trout). Once they get the dam fixed and began flowing cold, clean water again....things will recover....slowly. There will still be some German Browns caught over 20", nothing like in years past. It will still remain the areas top trout fishery (what else is there?). And when flows drop back down, I'll be out there with my FF trying to catch some 10"ers and pray for an occasional 15"+.

Love the CR.

-Rich

[troutcrazy]

The difference is the waters out west have always had trout and are cold waters in which trout dominate. If you can't see a difference between the trout fisheries out west, and the CR....well, I can't help ya. Apparently you haven't fished the Green River in WY, or the Snake River in ID, or the Salmon river in ID, or the Provo River in UT, or the Weber River in UT, or Strawberry Reservior in UT, or Hams Fork in WY, or Henry's Lake in ID, Yellowstone River in WY (try catching fish in any of these with a "bare gold hook")....I could go on and on with examples. The simple fact is, if anybody had a choice to go fishing for trout, those would be on the top of their list (if they new anything about top trout fisheries) and if they wanted to fish for bass, they would come here..............as I said in my previous post, trout are not native here, nor are the conditions suitable for trout without man made dams. That is a HUGE difference. You can catch trout out west in a "ditch" or even a tiny creek that rolled out of a mountain canyon, full of fisty rainbows and native cutthroat (ran by my house).

I love the CR, and have stated that for years on here. I know its not going to die, never said it would, it's just going to take years for recovery. Face it or not, the river looks like crap. Nasty colored water, algae everywhere, and water temps sky high (for trout). Once they get the dam fixed and began flowing cold, clean water again....things will recover....slowly. There will still be some German Browns caught over 20", nothing like in years past. It will still remain the areas top trout fishery (what else is there?). And when flows drop back down, I'll be out there with my FF trying to catch some 10"ers and pray for an occasional 15"+.

Love the CR.

-Rich

Wow Rich...a double posting...you really wanted to get your point across...lol

I have fished the Missouri this past year, Big Springs (blue ribbon trout stream), Clear Springs (blue ribbon trout stream), the White, and the Ashtubula and I've caught fish in all of them...of course this means one thing. I AM AN AWESOME FISHERMAN! I think the CR is just as good as any I've fished. In fact, because it's more familiar I have better luck on the CR.

I don't think there are too many fish...I think it all has to do with the dam...and the increased pressure on the river. Trout are smart and if they've seen it enough they aren't going to take it. If it looks too out of place the trout aren't going to take it. If the line cast a shadow....you get the point. It's a great place in our own backyard and it will continue to be a great place.

We'll all have to meet up sometime and fish the CR together...maybe I'll share some of my secrets...more importantly I hope to steal some of you all's..

[Rock_Fish]

Well I hope it returns to its former glory also! The KY management people knew that is was happening. Or they would not have raised the creel limit this past year from 5 to 10. After years and years of holding it at 5 to build a world class fishery. What is funny though is they did not change the slot or lift it. If a 14" fish is going to die. Than surely a 15-20" fish would die ?

[RICHYD4U]

Wow Rich...a double posting...you really wanted to get your point across...lol

I have fished the Missouri this past year, Big Springs (blue ribbon trout stream), Clear Springs (blue ribbon trout stream), the White, and the Ashtubula and I've caught fish in all of them...of course this means one thing. I AM AN AWESOME FISHERMAN! I think the CR is just as good as any I've fished. In fact, because it's more familiar I have better luck on the CR.

I don't think there are too many fish...I think it all has to do with the dam...and the increased pressure on the river. Trout are smart and if they've seen it enough they aren't going to take it. If it looks too out of place the trout aren't going to take it. If the line cast a shadow....you get the point. It's a great place in our own backyard and it will continue to be a great place.

We'll all have to meet up sometime and fish the CR together...maybe I'll share some of my secrets...more importantly I hope to steal some of you all's..

Lol, sorry about that. I'm a little passionate when it comes to my trout fishing. I was born a trout fisherman that developed into a bass fisherman also. My first and true love, will always be fly fishing for trout. I'm just really depressed this winter since the CR is hurting.....

We will definitely have to have a CR get together and swap some info. I would love to learn more about spin fishing the CR since I've had little success doing it. I would also be more than willing to share what I've learned about FF over the past 25yrs. Now....if we could just get the CR to cooperate....we'd be in business! Take care.

-Rich

[coombro]

Trout are trout. I've fish in wyo,colo,ark, on various waters. All bodies of water are subject to warmer temps low oxygen and such as to deplet their quality of fish. Trout hatcheries exist in the western states also to replenish the supply and demand. A couple years back an Idaho trout hatchery lost some 250,000 rainbows to a desease called ich. Found in your local aquarium. They do realease sterile trout in western waters. Let a 5lb trout peel my drag and native or not he fights. I like sticking a fork in either one. I've fished out of mckinsey boats in wyo to the alpine lakes and streams of the rocky mts. An expert I'm not nor claim to be but western fish are no smarter than our fish. Adapt and change to the waters and conditions with witch you have. A river is for ever changing and so must your technique. While fishing the snowy mts of wyoming an indian told me try a #8 gold aberdeen hook and a splitshot during the spring run off. I did and the trout tore it up. Must be the flash.

[FlyLie]

The way you guys keeping going at it, Peter may need to consider establishing a new discussion board just for trout. LOL

Relatively new to the LC/CR area, but looking forward to spending some of my "golden years" on the river teasing those trout.

[Rock_Fish]

The way you guys keeping going at it, Peter may need to consider establishing a new discussion board just for trout. LOL

Relatively new to the LC/CR area, but looking forward to spending some of my "golden years" on the river teasing those trout.

Trout section sounds good to me ! With Fly Tying , Etc ! But do not worry about Peter seeing this. He is still asleep !!!

[FlyLie]

Maybe you are not paying him enough! When is the last time you gave him a raise?

[kygorski]

I've fished several of the western michigan rivers for steelheadm spring and winter, and I'm going to raise some hackles, but my spinning tackle out performed my fly rod quite a bit.I had a 9ft rod and used a wf line with a 9ft tapered leader. Did that on the cumberland when I first moved down here in 93, but gave it up. There should be an artificial zone on the river in some places.I take the barbs off my favorite baits, loose a few, but since I dont eat trout, dont care.

[kygorski]

oh by the way. if this bottom clinging slimy weed isn't dealt with, the river will just be a put and take system like the small creeks.

[Rock_Fish]

oh by the way. if this bottom clinging slimy weed isn't dealt with, the river will just be a put and take system like the small creeks.

It will not take very long either given the rate it has grown in the last year

[kygorski]

Lost my last message big fingers poor eye sight. But I'm wondering what you guys mean by 6 wght and so forth. I'm not going to run out and buy another fly fishing rig, been there done that. But in my youth, we used letters for instance a BE would be a torpedo taper for large flys and bugs, An E BE would be used for subtle fly presentation, I never used a sinking tip, and floating lines that were good were rare. Split bamboo was the most used material and a lot of rods had two tips and four sections, No we didn't need to worry about dinosauers or wild indians!Tied a lot of step down leaders myself. My last rod was a 9ft loomis that cost me an arm and a leg, bought it from a friend who made custom rods. When I decided to give up fly fishing he completly stripped the blank and turned it into a spinning rod that was a dream. While wading near the dam, slipped on a balanced rock, and broke it, That reaaly hurt. thanks for the patience. I dont have anything against the "purists" who live by the fly rod, but I also fished the west and the white river using spinning gear, and enjoyed it.