Things are about go get ugly

[Tim_T]

There were no complaints, just a question that was asked and it has been answered.

[mhall]

There were no complaints, just a question that was asked and it has been answered.

Agreed. I actually lost the link on this thread completely that is why I said anything. Then I found it down on the other thread about the same thing. Weird, but I'm still not showing the link on this thread right now. Maybe I have some of those ghosts Grumpy has been talking about. I thought the link had been removed, It's gone from mine, insert Twilight Zone music here.

[redneckshadrap]

Have no affilation with the running of this site.

[HURRICANEBOB]

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/cou...case_id-62573/

Strader et al v. Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources et al
Plaintiff: James N. Strader
Defendant: Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources, Jonathan W. Gassett and John Does 1-10

Case Number: 3:2009cv00062
Filed: December 14, 2009

Court: Kentucky Eastern District Court
Office: Frankfort Office [ Court Info ]
County: Jefferson
Presiding Judge: Judge Danny C. Reeves

Nature of Suit: Civil Rights - Other Civil Rights
Cause: 42:1983 Civil Rights Act
Jurisdiction: Federal Question
Jury Demanded By: Plaintiff

"After reading the suit, it appears that Jim is alleging that the KDFWR stopped having their employees be guests on his show, stopped sending a cadre of conservation officers to his show to provide security and generally stopped giving him freebies after he repeatedly kicked them in the teeth on his show. His complaint alleges that the KDFWR has abridged his right to free speech by not smooching his keister after he kicked theirs.

His complaint is 27 pages long, a whole lot of which describes what a great guy and a defender of the sportsmen and women of Kentucky he has been. If that's the case, people like a number of commission members, Ben Hall and a whole lot more should be honored in the manner that Jim honors himself. Unfortunately, many of those folks who have toiled in the vineyard have been kicked in the teeth from 6-8 every Sunday instead of being honored.

I am by no means the judge or jury, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. From my first reading of the suit, he's mad because he is getting the cold shoulder from the KDFWR. He says he's getting that cold shoulder because he held their feet to the fire over issues that he believes they have mis-handled.

Now I ask you...if you kick anyone in the teeth long enough, they probably won't want to do you any favors. Those of you who are married probably understand getting the cold shoulder from a spouse that you've given a hard time. The situations are parallel.

We'll see how it goes. I'm given to understand that there will be no Jim Strader Expo in 2010. Having stopped going there in 2004, I've got no first hand knowledge of the quality of his Expo, but judging from some of the comments posted here characterizing it as a flea market (and some a lot worse), I'm guessing that the demise of his Expo is not the result of some unholy conspiracy by the KDFWR but his bad judgment about what makes a successful show. Blaming someone who he kicked in the teeth for his problems when those problems can be ascribed to someone else could be construed as being a whiner.

In any event, the issue is now before the bar. We'll see how the justice system treats it. "

Source: http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forum...ad.php?t=89164

poster: daking at link above

[daking]

www.jimstrader.com

[Chubminnow]

My own opinion on the Jim Strader show is that it was in fact not much more than a flea market....Just my own personal opinion.

[GeoFisher]

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/cou...case_id-62573/

Strader et al v. Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources et al
Plaintiff: James N. Strader
Defendant: Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources, Jonathan W. Gassett and John Does 1-10

Case Number: 3:2009cv00062
Filed: December 14, 2009

Court: Kentucky Eastern District Court
Office: Frankfort Office [ Court Info ]
County: Jefferson
Presiding Judge: Judge Danny C. Reeves

Nature of Suit: Civil Rights - Other Civil Rights
Cause: 42:1983 Civil Rights Act
Jurisdiction: Federal Question
Jury Demanded By: Plaintiff

"After reading the suit, it appears that Jim is alleging that the KDFWR stopped having their employees be guests on his show, stopped sending a cadre of conservation officers to his show to provide security and generally stopped giving him freebies after he repeatedly kicked them in the teeth on his show. His complaint alleges that the KDFWR has abridged his right to free speech by not smooching his keister after he kicked theirs.

His complaint is 27 pages long, a whole lot of which describes what a great guy and a defender of the sportsmen and women of Kentucky he has been. If that's the case, people like a number of commission members, Ben Hall and a whole lot more should be honored in the manner that Jim honors himself. Unfortunately, many of those folks who have toiled in the vineyard have been kicked in the teeth from 6-8 every Sunday instead of being honored.

I am by no means the judge or jury, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. From my first reading of the suit, he's mad because he is getting the cold shoulder from the KDFWR. He says he's getting that cold shoulder because he held their feet to the fire over issues that he believes they have mis-handled.

Now I ask you...if you kick anyone in the teeth long enough, they probably won't want to do you any favors. Those of you who are married probably understand getting the cold shoulder from a spouse that you've given a hard time. The situations are parallel.

We'll see how it goes. I'm given to understand that there will be no Jim Strader Expo in 2010. Having stopped going there in 2004, I've got no first hand knowledge of the quality of his Expo, but judging from some of the comments posted here characterizing it as a flea market (and some a lot worse), I'm guessing that the demise of his Expo is not the result of some unholy conspiracy by the KDFWR but his bad judgment about what makes a successful show. Blaming someone who he kicked in the teeth for his problems when those problems can be ascribed to someone else could be construed as being a whiner.

In any event, the issue is now before the bar. We'll see how the justice system treats it. "

Source: http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forum...ad.php?t=89164

poster: daking at link above

I read the complaint........if 1/2 of it is correct......the KDFWR are flat out WRONG, and probably going to be paying some smack.......

Also, it looks like if KDFWR loses.........some people, including the commissioner needs to LOSE their job......

The entire complaint is here:

www.jimstrader.com

Later,

Geo

[DJD]

Wow that sounds very crooked. I didn't realize what this was all about till I read the complaint. The commish looks like he is in hot water here. If this stuff can be proven then he should be fired....thats some criminal stuff going on there.

[know1]

I read the complaint and I agree that what the KDFWR was allegedly doing does sound crooked.

But...if the KDFWR is doing something illegal, then CRIMINAL charges should be brought against them.

Strader's essentially filing a CIVIL suit because they stopped supporting his expo and started a competing radio show. I don't think that's grounds for a civil suit and will just waste tax dollars.

[GeoFisher]

I read the complaint and I agree that what the KDFWR was allegedly doing does sound crooked.

But...if the KDFWR is doing something illegal, then CRIMINAL charges should be brought against them.

Strader's essentially filing a CIVIL suit because they stopped supporting his expo and started a competing radio show. I don't think that's grounds for a civil suit and will just waste tax dollars.

A criminal case doesn't help Strader recoupe losses.......if they in fact EXIST.

It looks like the KDFWR violated lots of laws, deliberately shut him out and BOASTED about trying to put him out of business......those are all CIVIL issues as well as criminal...

Later,

Geo

[know1]

A criminal case doesn't help Strader recoupe losses.......if they in fact EXIST.

It looks like the KDFWR violated lots of laws, deliberately shut him out and BOASTED about trying to put him out of business......those are all CIVIL issues as well as criminal...

Later,

Geo

I understand what you're saying, but is it really criminal to boast about trying to put someone out of business? Sounds like competition to me.

As to the laws they violated, that's where they should be charged criminally.

Put it this way, what if I decided to start my own radio show at the same time as his and I lent my support to a different expo? Would he sue me? Isn't it a free market?

There's no doubt in my mind that the KDFWR probably has dirty hands, but the things they allegedly did that were dirty don't seem to have a lot to do with Strader.

As for having competition for his show and expo, I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with that (although they likely did it for the wrong reasons).

[mhall]

I have thought for some time Jim was on track with his opinions about Telecheck. I personally feel the same way about it and that's what started this Feud. I do not know all the details only from one side and would like to hear the Departments rebutle. I do not doubt for a bird dog second though that they were walking around boasting of shutting him down. Jim is not a fan of the new Commisioner at all and has been vocal about it, that helped push this little battle right along to.