Sarah Palin on Fox News

[DJD]

I don't know how true this is or not...it's probably true I guess. For me it kind of reminds me of all white men in this country being afraid to say anything in general about blacks, mexicans or whatever race or nationality a person is...because as soon as you do say something or even mention something against said races, you're labeled as a discriminator or prejudiced or whatever it is they want to pull out and use in order to defeat you, in order to get their way, etc...

You know I didn't agree with McCains lack luster approach to battling Barry at all. One side was mean as a rattlesnake and McCain just seem to take it thinking the high road was gonna win when he had tons of ammo to launch! What were they thinking??? Maybe they were afraid of being called racists I don't know....

[pontooner]

Perception trumps reality.

If a lie is repeated often enough, then people begin to believe that it's not a lie but in fact, it becomes the truth.

The perception of Palin being stupid,etc is repeated so often by the left, that people begin to believe what they are constantly exposed to in the media. When one cannot voice valid opposition reason to a debate, then the name calling: stupid, war-monger, etc are voiced.

Alot of negative comments about her intelligence has come straight from people in the McCain/Palin camp, as a matter of fact I'm not sure if I have heard any of them come to her defense. Maybe they have but I don't remember it.

Anyway blame the MSM all you want to for running with it but when it's coming straight from your own camp it doesn't look good.


And to answer apb's question: "For those of you who are fans of Palin, what do you see in her that makes you think she would make a good president?"

She has a cool nickname "Sarah Barracuda" That alone right there puts her at the top of the Republican choices for 2012 imho.

[RoadToad]

Why is that whenever anybody questions Sarah Palin's qualifications, the first response is always, "Well, she's more qualified than Obama?" Keep in mind this response is coming from the same people who call President Obama a communist, a socialist, a closet Muslim, a fool, the worst president ever, and so on. I hope you all understand that, coming from someone who has expressed those opinions of Obama, the statement, "She's more qualified than Obama" sounds kinda like, "Yeah, we know she's not qualified, but we couldn't find anybody better."

IMO a lot more of her popularity comes from her looks than most Republicans care to admit.

[Big Gills]

Exactly!!! Road Toad. I have been trying to find a way to put that in writing to respond to George's comments. But you said it and I agree. Lets be honest here guys!! The ones that have supported Mrs Palin during the campaign never discussed what George is now saying. Back then, I was looking for something positive about her cuz I really like John McCain so I came here looking for it. But all I heard was that she won a beauty pageant and she looked good in a bikini and other nonsense like that. She was valued on her looks only. She comes out with a book and comments were that they hope there were pictures to drool over. So I made my comments based on the negatives I have heard about her from the press and yes John McCain's camp. When the only positive thing that is said about her is her looks then she is not political material in my book.

[GeoFisher]

THOSE who have supported Palin ALL along have been saying what I've been SAYING........

It is sad that the more you call someone STUPID, or a FOOL, or whatever, the MORE they look like it.

I wonder why you guys are still SKARED of her......if she is such a non issue, WHY make her an issue.

Pontooner.......from what I understand, the negative comments, came from anonymous sources within the McCain camp.......I HATE ANONYMOUS sources.......MAN up or SHUT UP.

Later,

Geo

[RoadToad]

THOSE who have supported Palin ALL along have been saying what I've been SAYING........

It is sad that the more you call someone STUPID, or a FOOL, or whatever, the MORE they look like it.

This is true, and I think Thyme2fish's post earlier in this thread was spot on. For the record, I've never thought of her as stupid; on the contrary, I think she's an intelligent woman, at least intelligent enough that it's not an issue. But I do think she's rather under-educated on U.S. history and world affairs.

I wonder why you guys are still SKARED of her......if she is such a non issue, WHY make her an issue.

I'd still like to know where this "you guys are so scared of her" crap comes from. It's pretty unlikely (IMO) that she's ever going to even RUN for office again, let alone win. What, are you saying we're scared of what she's going to say on Fox News? Ooooh I'm trembling in my boots As for "making her an issue," why don't you ask the guy who started this thread? The rest of us aren't "making her an issue," we're just responding with what we think of her.

Pontooner.......from what I understand, the negative comments, came from anonymous sources within the McCain camp.......I HATE ANONYMOUS sources.......MAN up or SHUT UP.

Later,

Geo

Got to agree there. Even if I agree with what's being said, or think it's probably true, if it comes from an "anonymous source," I won't go quoting it to anybody. Show me PROOF.

DJD and MHall, thanks for proving my point. The only praise for Palin you can seem to come up with that doesn't involve comparing her to Obama is "I like her because I can connect with her, what I mean is she is very down to earth. I see her as a person I could approach and identify with and have a conversation with." OK I agree that's something I'd like to see in a President, and yes it would be a refreshing change from anyone who has occupied the White House previously, but is that really enough? Based on what you've posted previously about Obama, it seems to me (correct me if I'm wrong on this) that you must think there are tons of people out there who would make a better President. What is it about Sarah Palin that makes her stand out from that crowd?

[DJD]

DJD and MHall, thanks for proving my point. The only praise for Palin you can seem to come up with that doesn't involve comparing her to Obama is "I like her because I can connect with her, what I mean is she is very down to earth. I see her as a person I could approach and identify with and have a conversation with." OK I agree that's something I'd like to see in a President, and yes it would be a refreshing change from anyone who has occupied the White House previously, but is that really enough? Based on what you've posted previously about Obama, it seems to me (correct me if I'm wrong on this) that you must think there are tons of people out there who would make a better President. What is it about Sarah Palin that makes her stand out from that crowd?

So what makes a good Presidential Candidate? I don't know of this list you keep trying to beat out of Mark and I? Do you have one? Have you had a person you thought would make a good POTUS that hit all your checkmarks? Help me out...I really don't know what you want?

I could copy and paste what she has done in Alaska but I figure you know all that and if thats not enough tell me what would make her stand out?
Why the dislike? You and Andrew are consistant on not liking her and I really respect that but what is it that turns you against her? I get the feeling I'm listening to...(I had a job once on primetime Charlie) looking down on Palin during an interview. Why the dislike?

What was it that won the election for...Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr, Barry or the ole' Ronny R.? Some of those guys actually ran a state and dealt with people, policies and budgets. Does that help? What do you think makes a good candidate?

Heck if she has the backing now and isn't even on the campaign trail can you imagine what could happen if she did?? Scary huh?

[DJD]

Thanks for asking...She is an issue because the Dems unleashed their evil on her when all she was doing is running with McCain as a VP candidate. They were scared so they trashed her and that my friend showed how much she threatened that party.
Noone does that unless your an issue, threat or competition.

[apb]

He waited MONTHS to send more troops when they were needed resulting in many troop casulties. While our men and women was being shot up he was SLOOOOOOOOOWLY making up his mind, meanwhile they are under manned with their butts hanging out in the breeze. He hasn't done one thing more than Bush was akready doing to fight this war against terror except be slower at reaction time resulting in higher death totals.

Obama has done a bunch more than Bush over there. Bush and co were staying the course in Afganistan all the while the Taliban and Al Queda were making in roads. You want to jump all over Obama for sloooooowly making up his mind, but give Bush a pass for dropping the ball for 6+ years? Really???? Second day in office Obama authorized an attack across the border in Pakistan on Al Queda targets, something Bush never did. Also increased the pressured (Bush also did this, to his credit) on the Pakistianis to increase their attacks on Al Queda positions (which they've done, but not under Bush). Bush was not willing to commit more troups in Afganistan. Obama listened to his generals and authorized an increase of 30k troops. I agree, I would liked to have seen him move faster on that. At the same time, I wanted to see him do the right thing for the long-term not just a short-term fix.

....He slowed the recession, OMG, Your freaking joking right?? This country is in the crapper, and we are no so far in the hole our Grandchildrens Children won't be able to pay for it. Yea he's fixing things right on up, lol....

No, I am not joking. We started the downward spiral during the Bush admin. He did nothing and just watched the country sink deeper. Look around and I think you'll find most ecomonics folks saying that we dodged a bullet with that one. You'll also see that things are sloooowly starting to turn around. For example, you guys are busier now than you were in spring right? I agree, we are still in the crapper and have a ways to go. However, it could have been a lot worse. Like I said, the high dept rate is rather disconcerting.

With regard to Iran, remind me again what the last guy did, besides put them on the list as an axis of evil? I'm sure Iminadinnerjacket (I liked your name for him too!) laughs as much now as he did under Bush. Course the guy is a nut job, so I don't expect much from him. Right now he is seeing increasing problems at home. If things heat up with Iran and nukes, I would think Isreal will go it hard. Now is not the time as some of his fellow country men might take him out.

Still waiting on the proof of him not being born in the US. Tick tock and all....

My comments on Palin were general to the whole forum. As others have said here, I just don't think she is presidental material right now. May be she could be in a few years, but not now. Got some learning to do. I agree with you, she does seem likeable and down to earth. I also don't think she is stupid. Again, I don't dislike her as a person.

Andrew

[DJD]

Obama has done a bunch more than Bush over there. Bush and co were staying the course in Afganistan all the while the Taliban and Al Queda were making in roads. You want to jump all over Obama for sloooooowly making up his mind, but give Bush a pass for dropping the ball for 6+ years? Really???? Second day in office Obama authorized an attack across the border in Pakistan on Al Queda targets, something Bush never did. Also increased the pressured (Bush also did this, to his credit) on the Pakistianis to increase their attacks on Al Queda positions (which they've done, but not under Bush). Bush was not willing to commit more troups in Afganistan. Obama listened to his generals and authorized an increase of 30k troops. I agree, I would liked to have seen him move faster on that. At the same time, I wanted to see him do the right thing for the long-term not just a short-term fix.



No, I am not joking. We started the downward spiral during the Bush admin. He did nothing and just watched the country sink deeper. Look around and I think you'll find most ecomonics folks saying that we dodged a bullet with that one. You'll also see that things are sloooowly starting to turn around. For example, you guys are busier now than you were in spring right? I agree, we are still in the crapper and have a ways to go. However, it could have been a lot worse. Like I said, the high dept rate is rather disconcerting.

With regard to Iran, remind me again what the last guy did, besides put them on the list as an axis of evil? I'm sure Iminadinnerjacket (I liked your name for him too!) laughs as much now as he did under Bush. Course the guy is a nut job, so I don't expect much from him. Right now he is seeing increasing problems at home. If things heat up with Iran and nukes, I would think Isreal will go it hard. Now is not the time as some of his fellow country men might take him out.

Still waiting on the proof of him not being born in the US. Tick tock and all....

My comments on Palin were general to the whole forum. As others have said here, I just don't think she is presidental material right now. May be she could be in a few years, but not now. Got some learning to do. I agree with you, she does seem likeable and down to earth. I also don't think she is stupid. Again, I don't dislike her as a person.

Andrew

I'm not sure the means of getting the economy turned around in the right direction is justified by the means? How much money was wasted by Congress under Bush and Obama in the forms of bailouts? The people who can't handle the money were given more and the people who could not either pay their own or manage what they take got more responsibility.

BTW anyone else paying more in Federal taxes?? I am and I'm not rich. It started this year... Was there a promise that middle class was going to get a tax cut or at least not pay more? Anyone else get an increase?

[psprowler]

What does make a good presidential candidate? A very good question - perhaps we should compose a list. I think a general understanding of what happens when passing legislation is important. The entire process from passing the bill all the way down to it's effect on common folk like you and me. Does the majority benefit? The health care reform for example. Sure you can pass a blanket bill blah blah blah but how does it really benefit people in different situations, etc. Me for example, a healthy 33 year old with a family of 4 healthy individuals. The dog is important too but sorry Ashton, humans only for now. What about folks like BassinBug who are going thru several procedures right now. How does it affect her? And so on and so on.

I think they should be morally and ethically sound. It's the most powerful position in the world so one would expect to be held to a higher standard.

They should have a working understanding of the other world powers and our relations with them.

They should be good with money. Not living beyond your means should apply to government spending as well.

They should be able to solve problems by thinking outside the box or within it if it's that simple. Then when a decision is made, stand firmly behind it.

Be able to admit mistakes. Don't try to cover up things just a simple "hey, we screwed up on this one". We do it in our everyday lives. Admit it, learn and move on.

This could be a long list...........

[RoadToad]

This could be a long list...........

Yes, but it really is one worth compiling. Thanks for the thought-provoking post!