Sarah Palin on Fox News

[apb]

I just love how when you ask a question about Palin the majority of the answers spend more time discussing Obama. Rather telling if you ask me. I don't personally dislike Palin. I just don't think that she would make a good president. The "well, she couldn't do any worse" does nothing for me. I don't want someone in office who couldn't do any worse, I want someone who could do better. If the republicans, or an independant party, puts up someone who I feel is better in 2012, I'll happily vote for them.

I don't get the "Obama is weak" mantra of the right. Since day one in office he has stepped up attacks on Al Queda, increased our presence in Afganistan and the border region with Pakistan, and authorized attacks on Al Queda elsewhere (e.g., Yeman). Heard an interesting stat on npr the other morning. In the last year, drone attacks have taken out more Al Queda higher ups than in the last three years of the Bush administration combined. Knocking out Al Queda certainly seems good for this country.

...I also think he was born in Africa and that computer on-line generated Birth Certificate doesn't prove squat to me. They didn't have computer BC when he was born, show me the real one please, or something more concrete....

Something more concrete, you mean like: he has released a copy of his actual birth certificate; the conservative Supreme Court threw out the case against him not being a US citizen (the case was also against McCain since he was born in Panama) well before the election; several newspaper announcements of his birth submitted by the hospital, not his family, at his time of birth; Hawaiian officials verifying his birth certificate and checking the original record in their files; an independant organization (Factcheck.org) verifying the original birth certificate (even FOX news cited their results as legit); and the list goes on. Don't want to accept those data, fine, but at least supply some solid evidence that he was not born in the US. I have yet to see anyone who does not accept that he was born in the US show any solid evidence, or even semi-solid evidence, to support their case. I'm waiting, tick tock, tick tock...

... tell me ONE, JUST ONE SOLITARY thing that this man has accomplished for the good of this great country, I'm patiently waiting..........tick tock tick tock...

The above mentioned wacking of Al Queda folks would be high on that list. When he took office the economy was in a mess and spiriling down. He has kept the financial crisis from becoming worse (gross domestic product in the second half of 2009 is likely to exceed 3%, it was origianlly expected to be 1%). Your one thing, plus a bonus cause I love you so much Btw, if you look at the stuff he has done in office, I think you'll find him much more of a moderate or centrist than some make him out to be. I think part of the problem that politics have become waaaay to partisian of late with one party not able to admit when the other party has a good idea. Heck, look at some of the comments on this forum about Obama being the worst president ever (or in the poster's lifetime) within 3 months of him taking office. Yeah, thats giving the guy a fair chance!

Has Obama made mistakes, certainly. Like many here I am very uneasy about the high level of the deficit that we now have. The bailouts also concern me. Yes, something needed to be done to pull us out of the recession. Time will tell whether or not the decissions made were right or not. I also do not like the idea that the health care is being ram rodded through without bipartican support.

Andrew

[mhall]

I just love how when you ask a question about Palin the majority of the answers spend more time discussing Obama. Rather telling if you ask me. I don't personally dislike Palin. I just don't think that she would make a good president. The "well, she couldn't do any worse" does nothing for me. I don't want someone in office who couldn't do any worse, I want someone who could do better. If the republicans, or an independant party, puts up someone who I feel is better in 2012, I'll happily vote for them.

I don't get the "Obama is weak" mantra of the right. Since day one in office he has stepped up attacks on Al Queda, increased our presence in Afganistan and the border region with Pakistan, and authorized attacks on Al Queda elsewhere (e.g., Yeman). Heard an interesting stat on npr the other morning. In the last year, drone attacks have taken out more Al Queda higher ups than in the last three years of the Bush administration combined. Knocking out Al Queda certainly seems good for this country.



Something more concrete, you mean like: he has released a copy of his actual birth certificate; the conservative Supreme Court threw out the case against him not being a US citizen (the case was also against McCain since he was born in Panama) well before the election; several newspaper announcements of his birth submitted by the hospital, not his family, at his time of birth; Hawaiian officials verifying his birth certificate and checking the original record in their files; an independant organization (Factcheck.org) verifying the original birth certificate (even FOX news cited their results as legit); and the list goes on. Don't want to accept those data, fine, but at least supply some solid evidence that he was not born in the US. I have yet to see anyone who does not accept that he was born in the US show any solid evidence, or even semi-solid evidence, to support their case. I'm waiting, tick tock, tick tock...



The above mentioned wacking of Al Queda folks would be high on that list. When he took office the economy was in a mess and spiriling down. He has kept the financial crisis from becoming worse (gross domestic product in the second half of 2009 is likely to exceed 3%, it was origianlly expected to be 1%). Your one thing, plus a bonus cause I love you so much Btw, if you look at the stuff he has done in office, I think you'll find him much more of a moderate or centrist than some make him out to be. I think part of the problem that politics have become waaaay to partisian of late with one party not able to admit when the other party has a good idea. Heck, look at some of the comments on this forum about Obama being the worst president ever (or in the poster's lifetime) within 3 months of him taking office. Yeah, thats giving the guy a fair chance!

Has Obama made mistakes, certainly. Like many here I am very uneasy about the high level of the deficit that we now have. The bailouts also concern me. Yes, something needed to be done to pull us out of the recession. Time will tell whether or not the decissions made were right or not. I also do not like the idea that the health care is being ram rodded through without bipartican support.

Andrew

OMG, Well since you spent thirty minutes typing I have some rebutle. He waited MONTHS to send more troops when they were needed resulting in many troop casulties. While our men and women was being shot up he was SLOOOOOOOOOWLY making up his mind, meanwhile they are under manned with their butts hanging out in the breeze. He hasn't done one thing more than Bush was akready doing to fight this war against terror except be slower at reaction time resulting in higher death totals. Did the liberal media make a big deal over it, of course not they don't want to tarnish the Golden Ones record.

I gave many...read again reasons why I like Palin, what am I suppose to do compose a Thesis on the subject. I even said I'm not sure she would make a good President but I'm not sure she wouldn't either. WHY ARE YOU so sure she wouldn't are you clarevoyent??

He slowed the recession, OMG, Your freaking joking right?? This country is in the crapper, and we are no so far in the hole our Grandchildrens Children won't be able to pay for it. Yea he's fixing things right on up, lol.

I said he was VIEWED as weak and he is. Most of the World views him as a tree hugging, Coobaya singing Pansy. He has about as much Moxey as a 10 year old school girl. Keep telling yourself different will all now how he's viewed, Iran's leader Biteadickajod laughs at him daily.

I'm done and time will tell. But I will say this, now only 48.9% approve of the job he'd doing. NO OTHER AMERICAN PRESIDENT has ever fell that low that quickly in his tenure as POTUS, NOT EVEN THE EVIL GEORGE W. BUSH. You keep loving him and I'll keep disliking him and the world will keep spinning round and round and not even Al Bore can change that.

[Chubminnow]

When he took office the economy was in a mess and spiriling down. He has kept the financial crisis from becoming worse (gross domestic product in the second half of 2009 is likely to exceed 3%, it was origianlly expected to be 1%). The bailouts also concern me. Yes, something needed to be done to pull us out of the recession. Time will tell whether or not the decissions made were right or not.

APB, I respect you on this board...figured I'd get that out of the way first. With this being said I think you're wrong in thinking Obama has kept anything from getting worse as far as the financial crises, the economy or anything else is concerned. Did something "really" need to be done to pull us out of the recession? How do we know this for sure? If bail outs were NOT approved and if Cash for Clunkers (cough, choke, blah!) never saw the light of day, then how do we know we wouldn't be exactly where we're at right now without all of this government/tax payer money? Of course no one will ever know the answer.

Who did the Cash for Clunkers deal help the most? Japan and China since there wasn't any stipulations put into place about Clunker money MUST be used for purchase of GM and Chrysler vehicles only, (I would say Ford too but they didn't need the bailout money). I don't know for sure but I think more "foriegn" cars were bought than GM or Chrysler either one. I bet Japan and China LOVE Obama!

Who did the bank bailout money help the most? The banks of course...now look at where they're at just a few months afterwards. Not only did they MAKE money off the governments money, but they made Boo-Koo dollars off the government money, enough to not only pay the bailout money back, but also enough to give out HUGE bonuses! If I'm not mistaking I think this ticked Obama off a little bit and he's now trying to charge the banking industry interest fee's on the bailout money they borrowed.

Whether you or anyone else on this board agrees or not, I still think Palin can't do any worse than Obama is presently doing. This is my opinion on the subject. Good lord man, I hope and pray we get someone better than Palin and Obama both! But if we don't, and if Palin ends up running, then she gets my vote.

[apb]

Mark,

In reference to your comment of how negatively the rest of the world views Obama, I did a quick google search. Couple of interesting polls. Highlights below. Overall, World opinion of the US has increased since Bush left office and Obama took over. My search was certainly not exhaustive, so I'm sure there are others out there. I'm interested to see what you can find to support your contention that the world sees him as a "tree hugging, Coobaya singing Pansy". Support for the US is down a little in Russia and also in Israel (as you suggested).

Andrew

http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=263

2000-2008 Bush years:

Opposition to key elements of American foreign policy is widespread in Western Europe, and positive views of the U.S. have declined steeply among many of America's longtime European allies.

Positive views of the United States declined in 26 of the 33 countries where the question was posed in both 2002 and 2007.

Also note the large decline of support for Bin Ladin in Muslim nations.
President George W. Bush's popularity in the United States has sunk to the level of Richard Nixon's just before he resigned from office. The president's standing abroad is still worse.

In 2008, the Pew Global Attitudes Project asked citizens of 24 countries whether they could count on Bush to do the right thing regarding foreign affairs. Majorities in only three (India, Nigeria, and Tanzania) said they had a lot or some confidence.

On the other side of the ledger, majorities in 19 of the 24 countries had little or no confidence in the American president.

For many people from all over the world, America is still the land of opportunity. Majorities or pluralities in 34 of the 46 foreign countries that took part in the 2007 survey said people who have emigrated to America have found better lives.

Most countries surveyed in 2008 give America high marks for its respect for the personal freedoms of its people.

Most important for America's newly elected president, the 2008 survey found signs in many countries that people are optimistic about the future course of America's approach to the larger world. Obama himself drew the most favorable response of the major contenders for the U.S. presidency at the time of the survey (Obama and Sens. Hillary Clinton and John McCain), with confidence in his leadership especially strong among U.S. allies in Western Europe and the Asia/Pacific region. And majorities or pluralities in most countries thought that a new president would change the country's foreign policy for the better.

http://pewglobal.org/docs/?DocID=24

The image of the United States has improved markedly in most parts of the world reflecting global confidence in Barack Obama. In many countries, opinions of the U.S. are now about as positive as they were at the beginning of the decade before George W. Bush took office.
Improvements in the U.S. image have been most pronounced in Western Europe, where favorable ratings for both the nation and the American people have soared. But opinions of America have also become more positive in key countries in Latin America, Africa and Asia, as well.
for the most part, opinions of the U.S. among Muslims in the Middle East remain largely unfavorable, despite some positive movement in the numbers in Jordan and Egypt. Animosity toward the U.S., however, continues to run deep and unabated in Turkey, the Palestinian territories and Pakistan.

Israel stands out in the poll as the only public among the 25 surveyed where the current U.S. rating is lower than in past surveys. (Their chart also shows a decrease in Russia from 2008 to 2009).

Belief that Obama will "do the right thing in world affairs" is now nearly universal in Western countries, where lack of confidence in President Bush had been almost as prevalent for much of his time in office. (Israel down 1%)

Sending more troops to Afghanistan is the only Obama policy tested that does not engender broad global support. In fact, majorities in most countries oppose the added deployments.

[apb]

So what makes a good Presidential Candidate?

Good question Don, and had to think on that some on how to answer. Sort of like art, I know what I like. Probably easier to answer by stating how I viewed former presidents. So, to the question does the person seem presidential:

Carter: No
Reagan: Yes (though not as much second term once he started losing it)
Bush I: border line
Clinton: Yes, though second term problems put him borderline
Bush II: No

I like psprowler's comment "Intelligence is a tad overrated. Give me work ethic, problem solving skills, a high moral savings account balance, and the ability to relate/converse with people any day.

I don't want a retard in office, but just because they might understand quantum physics doesn't mean jack." His list is good too, I can agree with the comments he made there.

Andrew

[apb]

Chubminnow (Don too along the same lines), some good points, let me think on them some.

Andrew

[apb]

In response to Don and Chubminnow's comments: I certainly see where you are coming from, and frankly, I am in agreement with a lot of it. Deficits under Bush were troublesome. In comparison, deficits under Obama are downright scary. We should be paying our own debts and not expecting future generations to do so.

While we can never know for sure what would have happened if we did nothing and let things collapse, we do know that the last time we did nothing lead to the Great Depression. Given that, something had to be done. We can only hope that there are things done to insure that those folks who put us in this mess are not allowed to repeat the same mistakes. In terms of bailouts, IF things go right, banks, GM, and Chrysler will be paying us back. Hopefully that will take care of some of the deficit. Short-term, looks like some of the bail out money is being paid back. I'm not holding my breath that we see it all returned. Likewise, if every penny is returned, there is no guarentee that our congress critters will use it to pay down the deficit.

As far as cash for clunkers (not sure why we needed that one), define "foreign car". When I bought a new Tacoma (not associated with clunkers program, made in CA) the salesman told me that they had sold a bunch of cars during that period. Most Toyotas bought in the US are also made here. For example, the Toyota plant here in Georgetown that makes Camrys. That does help American jobs. I also remember hearing on npr that GM was hiring back layed off workers to make up for the demand in new cars as a direct result of the clunkers program. So yes, it did help some US jobs and put money back in the pockets of Americans.

Yeah, the bank/issurance/financial folks that caused a number of the problems getting bonuses for basically messing up pisses me off. My yearly bonus, if I get one, is tied in to how well the company does and what I have done during the year. If I screw up bad, I have no bonus and risk losing my job. How someone can lose millions and still get a 6 or 7 figure bonus is beyond me.

As far as the next election, I'll see who is running at that time and who I think is most likely to do the best for the country. If that is Palin, sure, I'll vote for her. If it is someone else, they'll get the vote.

Doing the family thing this weekend, catch you next week! Have a good weekend.

Andrew

[Chubminnow]

APB - Regardless of where a Toyota is made, regardless of how many americans work for Toyota, it's still a foriegn vehicle in "my opinion", always has been, always will be. I guess I'm old school in this regard.

This is where I'm going to get off the bus, politics and religeon, to many if's, and's, but's what if's and opinions, too deep of a subject for me in the long run not to mention how time consuming it tends to get...everyone who's posted provided some pretty good insight...and I feel I'm leaving this thread as a more knowledgable person because of it.