Health Care Vote

[Arauthator]

Yeah, you can't argue that point, that's for sure. I think if structures like United Way, Churches, Salvation Army would unite, rather than the Government and Insurance Companies trying to unite, it would be better. But currently, it appears no better solution has been found than passing the Health Reform Bill. From a Gov'ts point of view I suppose, you can't make people work, and then you have ones who just CAN'T work. The only way to control that would be if the Government got involved on that issue as well. That would mean the same thing, fines if you do not comply. Which would also be an intrusion on someones rights. I mean, if you are without insurance, no matter what the reason, you can't just let a kid sit there with a broken leg and not go to the hospital because you won't or can't work.

It was my impression, from reading on health care years ago, that the real reason premiums were going up in the 90's was because of all the "un-insured" cases the Doctors were taking on. The Doctors were raising their prices for office visits and Hospital care, along with getting bigger salaries, so the insurance companies had to raise "their" rates and cost of plans to compensate....along with denying legit claims. Of course, you will always have insurance fraud on insurance claims as well.

Here is an interesting article on the Bill for all you guys that don't like this plan. It's got some very valid points.

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/201...lth-care-bill/

[roadrunner]

Think about this; if this bill is so good why did they have so much trouble passing the bill. Think of all the time Obama spent making speeches how much bribery they had to give the democrats to vote yes. Think of all the arm twisting, Obama telling the democrats he would not help them get re elected if they voted no. Rob Emanuel naked in the shower threatning a fellow democrat. If this was a bill that the American people wanted everyone would have voted for the bill including the republicans. REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!!!!

[Bobby Headrick]

Why not let the people vote on these things have a special election and get the real truth as who wants what.

[DJD]

Chris,
Thats a good link and it's scary! What did they do to us? Who is this helping? Looks like healthcare cost is going up if that article is right. I read most of the article and then most of the comparisons and it looks like they just put it to us. It doesn't even do what they claimed it would do!!!Thanks Nancy P.!

I heard something on the news last night and it sums it up...Liberals are looking at this as a Moral decision and playing on peoples feelings. Conservatives are looking at it as an Economic decision saying ok now who will pay for it?? Hits the nail on the head don't you think?

Also heard today on the radio that come Next year the premiums will go through the roof! Insurance companies will not operate with these new guidlines without getting their money back so they will come at us and more people will be burdened with enormous insurance premiums. The law is dictating the insurance companies to cover more people and pay more than ever. Guess where that money comes from?

Guess what scenario that sets up? Yep the gubment will save us all and take it over...all of it. Sounds like a grand plan to me.

I don't trust this administration for a minute.

[Bobby Headrick]

A local factory here in Beaver Dam just announced to their employees that their Ins premiums are going to double effective this week, this one lady I work with her husband works there and their ins went from 85 week family plane to 170 a week. This cuts into the employees bottom line now. This is ridiculas, this is also the same factory that employes illegal's, and lets them work under false ss# and names and pays no taxes.THis is unreal. Also sorry Prowler I missread you, if things keep going like it is we will need to put in place termination when we reach a certian age. ugh

[BASSKING]

this bill is going to do nothing but make medical needs sky rocket and cost even more thatn they do now, the waiting period to see your family doctor will be horrible and if you need a specialist, well , just forget about that. premiums for those who are already insured via a company plan or just a individual plan are going to be outrageous. there will be no need for you employer to caryy anything other than worker comp and if it is offered through your employer its going to be as bad if not worse than what was mentioned in the above post.

$ 170 a week for medical coverage!!!! were all going to be in the crapper before too long. its bad enough the economy is in the crapper and most who are working are struggling and thjose who want to work cant find a job or have to settle for a back breaking job that barely pays the bills if their lucky.

it should be manditory for all those in goverment to test run this GREAT PLAN before it hits the public. if that would happen than we could probably count on it being forgotten about fairly quick.

[BASSKING]

A local factory here in Beaver Dam just announced to their employees that their Ins premiums are going to double effective this week, this one lady I work with her husband works there and their ins went from 85 week family plane to 170 a week. This cuts into the employees bottom line now. This is ridiculas, this is also the same factory that employes illegal's, and lets them work under false ss# and names and pays no taxes.THis is unreal. Also sorry Prowler I missread you, if things keep going like it is we will need to put in place termination when we reach a certian age. ugh

i understand completely. if it were not for my wifes employer i would be in the same boat. before she landed the job she has right now my employer was transitioning into this exact kind of thing. although it was great insurance with great coverage as i said in my first post i would not be able to afford it now with the higher cost of living and due to the fact i have only had one small raise in the last 4 years, but i think god every day that me and my wife both enjoy our job and still have jobs and good healthcare plans< for now anyways..............

[BASSKING]

[I mean, if you are without insurance, no matter what the reason, you can't just let a kid sit there with a broken leg and not go to the hospital because you won't or can't work.]


i agree 100 %, a child should not have to suffer if there parents dont have any insurancs. its not there fault there parents dont have it for some reason , especialy if there not able to to work to afford coverage. children should be taken care of first in any situation, they are our future an some day we will depend on them to make important decisions possibly involing issues such as healthcare.

[DJD]

Dayum! Was this due to the new law? Just coincidence? If they have any proof of illegals I would call the labor board.

[Arauthator]

There is no doubt insurance companies and factories across the US are freaking out right now. A LOT of people got raked man.

[psprowler]

If insurance companies are freaking out, it's because they can't believe what a gift just fell into their lap. Sure they can't deny anyone because of pre-existing conditions any longer, but they just got 30 million new customers. Plus there's nothing in the books that says they can't raise the rates. If they do so, the older folks might not be able to pay and will be dropped. That leaves the 30 year old crowd - and guess which group doesn't get sick as often?

Don't you think they would have fought this a lot harder if it meant their business would go down the drain? It was much like a pool shark. Ok you can win this game go ahead and pass your bill that makes us the lynchpin of health care. Bill passes. Grins start to appear on faces...now the real game begins.....................SUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chubminnow]

To heck with the new bill....what a stupid thing to pass!! To heck with a lot of anything the government has a hand in...PERIOD!

At any rate...does anyone here work in the construction industry? If so, how do you all foresee it affecting the healthcare construction industry? Anyone?