Health Care Bill is Passed

[Arauthator]

The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern." --Proverbs 29:7

[mhall]

The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern." --Proverbs 29:7

Dude you can't be serious........................................... ................

[Bobby Headrick]

It wolud have been nice to have a thing as universial healrth care like Canada and Eurpre have, this bill is not like that but is a start. I would rather pay a little higher taxes and have healt care than to pay OUTRAGIOUS INS PREMIUMS AND CO PAYS AND DED. My mother died of cancer, leukimiea, my dad had a great UNION job and had good health ins, so he thought, the co pays and ded BANKRUPT him, he lost it all due to my mom getiing a diease that she did not ask for. TO hear some of you grumble over a few extra tax dollars, we spend billions on illegals for health ins why not the citizens,I wanted universial coverage like Europe and Canada, cause noone there LOSSES EVERYTHING WHEN THEY GET SICK, Why cause they do not have privite health ins cos that run their medical and health systems. BTW my moms bills after the ins co's pd and also some things they DENIED, why cause they could cause it cut into their PROFIT, those bills totaled over 1 MILLION, so you say well we should save for these things, who on here has 1 MILLION saved. Cancer killed my mother but greed ruined my dad. Was not enough to lose his wife of 35 yrs but also their home and everything else. And the sad thing is is that he is not the only one to lose everything due to illness.

[redneckshadrap]

It wolud have been nice to have a thing as universial healrth care like Canada and Eurpre have, this bill is not like that but is a start. I would rather pay a little higher taxes and have healt care than to pay OUTRAGIOUS INS PREMIUMS AND CO PAYS AND DED. My mother died of cancer, leukimiea, my dad had a great UNION job and had good health ins, so he thought, the co pays and ded BANKRUPT him, he lost it all due to my mom getiing a diease that she did not ask for. TO hear some of you grumble over a few extra tax dollars, we spend billions on illegals for health ins why not the citizens,I wanted universial coverage like Europe and Canada, cause noone there LOSSES EVERYTHING WHEN THEY GET SICK, Why cause they do not have privite health ins cos that run their medical and health systems. BTW my moms bills after the ins co's pd and also some things they DENIED, why cause they could cause it cut into their PROFIT, those bills totaled over 1 MILLION, so you say well we should save for these things, who on here has 1 MILLION saved. Cancer killed my mother but greed ruined my dad. Was not enough to lose his wife of 35 yrs but also their home and everything else. And the sad thing is is that he is not the only one to lose everything due to illness.

"the co pays and ded BANKRUPT him, he lost it all due to my mom getiing a diease that she did not ask for. "

That's the boat Breast Cancer and Autism have us crawling into in my household. And I pay bigtime every week.....

[Arauthator]

I hear what you are saying Bobby. Don't let some of these guys get to ya. Most act all big and bad and full of negativity on a forum, but I'm willing to bet NONE are willing to walk into a hospital and say the same things to those who are sick and in need of something like this bill. Of which quite a few will never get off their death bed.

Look at it this way, the jokes about Obama and the Health Care Plan are actually pretty funny. But the reality is, the country has already changed because IT WILL be law come 2014. Just pray that the reform passes when it goes back to the Senate for the second time. I know you would never wish what happened to you upon another individual. Just realize, though it seems like others on this forum do wish that upon people, they really don't wish people would die. It just appears that way.

[psprowler]

I hear what you are saying Bobby. Don't let some of these guys get to ya. Most act all big and bad and full of negativity on a forum, but I'm willing to bet NONE are willing to walk into a hospital and say the same things to those who are sick and in need of something like this bill. Of which quite a few will never get off their death bed.

Look at it this way, the jokes about Obama and the Health Care Plan are actually pretty funny. But the reality is, the country has already changed because IT WILL be law come 2014. Just pray that the reform passes when it goes back to the Senate for the second time. I know you would never wish what happened to you upon another individual. Just realize, though it seems like others on this forum do wish that upon people, they really don't wish people would die. It just appears that way.

Nobody's wishing bad will on any other individual. The cold hard reality of it may be that people do just need to die. When somebody had a heart attack 30 years ago - they died. Now, they get a $10,000 clot busting medication in the ER, get shipped to the cath lab or have bypass surgery or something like that that racks up $50k or so, then get discharged on 5 new medications that cost $500 a month. And their copay for the whole ordeal $1500 out of pocket. You can't get all that and expect to pay next to nothing for it.

It's easy for me to say I'm a healthy individual. But looking at it from an objective standpoint the money going out far surpasses the money coming in and it's going further down the wrong way with each passing day.

[DJD]

[QUOTE=Arauthator;406788]I hear what you are saying Bobby. Don't let some of these guys get to ya. Most act all big and bad and full of negativity on a forum, but I'm willing to bet NONE are willing to walk into a hospital and say the same things to those who are sick and in need of something like this bill. Of which quite a few will never get off their death bed.
QUOTE]

Ok another unfair remark. man your full of those today. So to play this game..What if those people you speak of have done nothing but abused the system and because of that put honest tax paying people on hold to get legit transplants? What if they are terrorists who have killed hundreds of innocent people? Or what if they were rapists and murderers? What if they were politicians?? Ok it's getting silly but my point is this.

What we are saying is this Bill could have been written differently. We as a country need to hold people responsible for their actions and stop looking at others to pay the bill!

Sob stories are a great way to get sympathy but speaking for myself I'm talking about policy not going down the imaginary trail of what if.....Lets let Walt Disney and Al Gore deal with fantasy ok?

BTW...what about the Veterans who have placed their life on the line and or sacrifced their lives for this country and get treated like dog poo? Wonder why we never had a nation wide out cry for them? Maybe because it's not politically advantagous? Maybe there are not enough of them to matter come election day?

Have you ever seen what our gubment puts them through? Of course your happy that your getting your slice of the pie right? What about them? You willing to give to them as they need it and have been for YEARS!

[Arauthator]

Some of you guys crack me up.

2 Things, people will not start loving God or resolve this nations health care on Fishin.com.

Check please.

[Devils Horse]

Some of you guys crack me up.

2 Things, people will not start loving God or resolve this nations health care on Fishin.com.

Check please.

That'll be 14 trillion dollars please sir...plus a 10% gratuity.

[Bobby Headrick]

I do not agree with this bill as it is written, it is not the type of health care reform we need. I see people evryday that abuse the system, remember that I give out FOOD STAMPS AND MEDICAL CARDS to the poor and downtrodden and I also give the same things to the crooks and the system abusers. We need a fix in this country, health care costs are way out of hand, greed and for profit have taken away from Drs and hospitials caring for people. they care more for the bottom line. I will hush on this as it makes no sense to talk about it anymore.

[Arauthator]

I have a right to post my opinion just as the rest of anyone who opposes my opinions. That's what this section of Fishin.com is for. I really don't care one way or the other if you disagree. Most WILL disagree because not everything about the reform is aimed to please everyone. Just remember, I didn't make that reform. I do suppose it is easier to target one like myself rather than those who made it. Same goes for religion and God. Why not attack my posts rather than confront the "MAN" yourself. I agree....it would be easier.

As far as how I "LOOK" on this forum, or if I am taken seriously or not, those issues don't bother me either. To get yourself all worked up over what somebody says on a forum, says something about yourself as well. I mostly post on a thread like this because I'm bored. If anyone takes my posts as I am trying to start trouble, I wasn't aware that could be done....I didn't know I had that kind of power. I'm really not flattered about it...so stop taking things to heart and lighten up....please?

On the verse from the bible....I didn't write that one. The BIBLE says that and I threw it out there so people know. I could tell by the statements of some that it was a verse never read by some before. I'm not calling ANYONE wicked....those judgements are for a "Higher Power". However, I do care about how poor people and the sick are taken care of, which is why I give money to my church every Sunday. And I'm sure there is even an abuse of that at some church, somewhere. Wicked things will always be in this world, like people abusing the "SYSTEM" and what nots. But not everybody is a "SYSTEM" abuser and there is no way to control with today's health care or tomorrow's. It gets abused even in Canada and Europe I'm sure.

I have NO expectations of ANYONE on this forum. I did hear along the way in life though....."If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it all." I suppose in the opinion of some...that statement goes for me as well...so I will try to do better. If anyone is offended by me loving God, I'm sorry for that. It's just that, when I love something, I like to talk about it....like fishing. Sorry for crossing over the line on that one.

[Chubminnow]

I have a right to post my opinion just as the rest of anyone who opposes my opinions. That's what this section of Fishin.com is for. I really don't care one way or the other if you disagree. If anyone is offended by me loving God, I'm sorry for that. It's just that, when I love something, I like to talk about it....like fishing. Sorry for crossing over the line on that one.

a) People here offended by your love of God? That's probably about the farthest thing from the truth.

b) I'm pretty sure your opinion is welcome here, but you tend to have a way of throwing religeon into a lot of the threads you post on. This could be seen in some people's views what is often referred to as "stealing a thread". In other words, try to stay as close to the original subject matter of the thread as possible.

This entire healthcare issue is a very touchy subject in America right now, in fact I'd say the country is about as divided today as it ever has been. Then when religeon gets thrown into the mix of things all hell breaks loose. I think there's enough to discuss on this healthcare bill without bringing religeon into it, things like:

1. How poor is poor (is a household earning between 75K to 100K considered poor?)
2. Who will this bill effect the most and who won't be effected by this bill at all?
3. Who will gain from this bill and who will gain nothing?
4. How come the people in the white house aren't going to use this same healthcare system
that's being pushed down our throats?
5. Does the new bill take care of the eldery and does it take care of children? Yes to either
one then I'm all for it in this respect, but as soon as it takes care of a certain person in this
world that I'm related to through marriage, then forget it..he needs to earn his own way!!

It's these sorts of things. So far it looks like those making over 250K per year will be the one's getting hit the hardest...this is what I gather anyway, I could be wrong.

Like I say, there's plenty to discuss about this bill without bringing religeon into it, there's a place for religeous discussions, but it's not on each and every thread that gets posted here.

JMO