I've heard some talk alright... When they put them in KDFWR and volunteers hike the 4"ers in via backpack, so you know they will have lived in that stream a long time before they get big enough to really be worth handling on a rod. Heard some Fly Store talk about 20" and larger fish coming out of one particular pool (don't know which one but if it is holding fish that size it shouldn't be hard to identify) but who really knows until the proof is in your hands. After crappie have settled back down I hope to get up there before it gets to hot.