Thanks, my dad took off work for the next two days and we might try that, how deep have you been trolling? Also on the road runners, are you using the road runners that are usually for crappie fishing or something heavier? We have a bigger Umbrella rig that I think holds 7 or 9, that should work the same I hope. Right now on the Umbrella rig we have these: http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...0011518316172a
they are a lot smaller though, have yet to actually use it.