KY Derby PP Draw....Are you serious....

[Russman]

When I want to bet a Super, which is not often, I have a simple, inexpensive way that I like and when there is a $1 minimum I use it for lonly $16.00.

1 2
1 2 3
1 2 3 4
1 2 3 4 5

Also, you can mix up the order, provided you use the same amount of number in each line, e.g.

1 2 3 4 5
1 2
1 2 3
1 2 3 4

Practice with it sometime, it works out pretty good.

Grumpy

Ok, now I'm really lost Grumpy. Can you break that down for me?
I don't understand the numbers. Thanks, Jason

[elnutsmalljaws]

This is how you figure out how ANY VERTICAL wager cost you:

Lets say you want a 8 horse Exacta Box, which means you pick 8 horses and 2 of them must finish first or second for you to win. You have 8 horses in for first and if one of them win then you have 7 horses in for second, because you don't count the one that finished first. 8 times 7 equals 56. You then take 56 and multiply it by the amount of wager you want to make. 56 times a $1 exacta box is $56, times $2 would be $112.

8 for first
7 for second
8x7 = 56 possible betting combinations for you to win
56 x bet amount = what it cost you

Lets say you want to bet an 8 horse TRIFECTA box, which means, you pick 8 horses and one of these 8 must win, one of these 8 must run second and one of these 8 must run third for you to win.

8 horses in for first
7 horses in for second (because you don't count the one that won)
6 horses in for third (because you don't count the first and second place horses)

8 x 7 x 6 = 336 possible betting combinations times your bet amount = wager

336 x $1 = $336
336 x .10 = $33.60 (if it was not the Derby or the Oaks)

Lets say you want to bet an 8 horse SUPERFECTA Box, you need one of the 8 to win, one of the 8 to run second, one of the 8 to run third and one of the 8 to run fourth in order to win.

8 in for first
7 in for second
6 in for third
5 in for forth

8 x 7 x 6 x 5 = 1680 possible betting combinations

1680 times your bet amount is wager amount

1680 x $1 = $1680 for a $1 Superfecta Box on 8 horses


The following are what it would cost you for $1 wagers if you chose:

Exacta Boxes:
3 horse = $6
4 horse = $12
5 = $20
6 = $30
7 = $42
8 = $56
9 = $72
10 = $90

Trifecta Boxes:

3 horse = $6
4 horse = $24
5 = $60
6 = $120
7 = $210
8 = $336

Superfecta Box:

4 horses = $24
5 = $120
6 = $360
7 = $840


You have to remember the above are BOX wagers. You can still figure out your wagers the same way. For instance Grumpys wager:

1 2
1 2 3
1 2 3 4
1 2 3 4 5

You have 2 horses that can finish first, which leaves 2 to finish second (don't count the first place horse since you have him in for second as well), which leaves 2 horses to finish 3rd (dont count the first and second place horses), and 2 to finish 4th (don't count the first 3 finishers)

2 for first
2 for second
2 for third
2 for forth

2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 16 possible combinations for you to win

16 x bet amount = wager amount
16 x $1 = $16

You can do whatever you want:

Lets say you want 3 horses in for first 8 horses in for second (which include the 3 in for first) and all 20 in for third in a trifecta box.

It would look like this:

3 to finish first
7 to finish second
18 to finish third

3 x 7 x 18 = 378 possible betting combinations

378 times $1 = $378 bet





By the way here is how you figure out ANY HORIZONTAL wager cost, which is very similar:

Pick 3

You like 5 horses in all 3 legs to finish first

5 x 5 x 5 = 125 possible betting combinations
125 times your wager equals your bet

You like 3 horses in the first leg, 9 horses in the second leg, 6 horses in the third leg

3 x 9 x 6 = 162 possible betting combinations
162 times you wager equals your bet


For Pick 4's and Pick 6's you just keep multiplying out the number of horses in each additional leg.



Hope this helps everyone.



I did play the Derby and spent $72 dollars total.

I played a $1 exacta box, 3 , 4 , 13 , 14
I played a $1 trifecta box 3 , 4 , 13 , 14
I played a $1 superfecta box 3 , 4 , 13 , 14

The exaxta play alone gets my investment back and if I do hit that then have 2 shots to finish 3rd. If I do hit the exacta and trifecta both then I am looking at between $800 and $2000 return. I only have 4 horses in the superfecta and all 4 must finish in the top 4 and if this happens then my return goes up into the $6000 to $8000 range I believe.

[Grumpy]

Russman, Jason, I just used the numbers one through five for my example but you can use any of the numbers for horses in any race, e.g. 20 in the Derby.

Win 1 2
Place 1 2 3
Show 1 2 3 4
4th 1 2 3 4 5

Or to use Elnuts picks, you could do it this way:

Win 3 4
Place 3 4 13
Show 3 4 13 14
4th 1 3 4 13 14

I added the 1 in the fourth slot because that is where the morning live favorite ends up frequently.

Hope this helos,

Grumpy

The beauty of this bet is that either of you top two horse can be completely out of the money and you could still win.

[Russman]

Russman, Jason, I just used the numbers one through five for my example but you can use any of the numbers for horses in any race, e.g. 20 in the Derby.

Win 1 2
Place 1 2 3
Show 1 2 3 4
4th 1 2 3 4 5

Or to use Elnuts picks, you could do it this way:

Win 3 4
Place 3 4 13
Show 3 4 13 14
4th 1 3 4 13 14

I added the 1 in the fourth slot because that is where the morning live favorite ends up frequently.

Hope this helos,

Grumpy

The beauty of this bet is that either of you top two horse can be completely out of the money and you could still win.

Grumpy,
Thanks for all your time and info on this. I'll post if I do any good.
Thanks, Jason