Conservative vs Liberal

[DJD]

Obama is piling up trillions not billions and the lame excuse is ...well bush did it too. That's a terrible excuse. Libs said bush was keeping gas prices high and that on e the get in gas prices will fall. Hmmmmm
Oh u can forget about low taxes. It's coming.....

[GeoFisher]

This thread is a joke in itself! Bush piled up Billions in debt and kept taxes low according to consertatives. Obama is piling up Billions more in debt while keeping taxes low according to liberals.12 Trillion dollars later, All I have to say is we need to change a law and allow Clinton to run again so we can have a surplus like he left Bush! Was Clinton a liberal? If so thats what I am, a Clinton liberal who made more money while he was in office than at any other time in my life as did most consertatives.

OK.....the SURPLUS that Clinton created was a JOKE...........he cut the military to the bone, and those VERY CUTS lead to some of the spending that Bush needed to do.

AND yea, Bush spent some money protecting our butts from TERRORISTS, but I guess that doesn't count. AND lets not forget.......the Trillion or so spent on the Wars, is a FIXED expense..........the GARBAGE the Obamunists are proposing are NOT FIXED expenses......they are ongoing expenses that we will NEVER BE ABLE TO PAY FOR.........

Clinton started the "it's ok to NOT be presidential" BS that the OBAMUNISTS continue. When in recent history have you EVER heard a president F-BOMB or a vice president F-BOMB on national TV.......Obama/Biden, that is WHEN.

I cannot wait until we can vote these PUKES out of office.........

Later,

Geo

[DJD]

I wonder how much of Clintons success was due to Reagan and Bush senior? Libs blame Bush for what Barry has to deal with can any credit be given the other way?

[apb]

So how come all of the examples Grumpy posted are males? To the conservative, do female opinions not count???

The problem with stuff like Grumpy posted (nice troll, btw), is that it tries to define a whole group of people based on the actions of a few at the extremes. There are a wide range of views held by both "liberals" and "conservatives". As several others noted, given the above list, I would also be considered a conservative.

It would be pretty easy to come up with a similar type of list that shows conservatives in a bad light. Sooo, just for fun :

If a liberal is homosexual, they demand legislated respect.
If a conservative politician is homosexual, he campaigns on family values, mocks gays, and then has a sorrid homosexual affair in the men's room, and then blames the liberal media for exposing him.

If a liberal doesn't like the idea of abortion, they don't have one and they try to take steps to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.
If a conservative doesn't like the idea of abortion, they demand that no one has one, for any reason. Further, they try to stiffle any discussion of sexual education that does not demand abstanance.

If a liberal's candidate loses an election, they point out the faults in the opposing candidate, but will admit when the opposing candidate got it right.
If a conservative's candidate loses an election, they'll pout and complain at every chance what a worthless politician the opposition is, instigate lies and deceptive rumors to derail the opposition, and will never admit that the opposition might have done something right.

If a liberal is a believer they worship at their church of choice, but don't expect everyone else to hold their beliefs.
If a conservative is a believer, they demand freedom of religion, but only for their brand of religion.

If a liberal finds certain behaviors morally objectionable, they don't do them.
If a conservative finds certain behaviors morally objectionable, they try to legislate against those behaviors.

See, wasn't that fun and they're just as true as the ones Grumpy posted....

[Devils Horse]

It would be pretty easy to come up with a similar type of list that shows conservatives in a bad light. Sooo, just for fun :

If a liberal is homosexual, they demand legislated respect.
If a conservative politician is homosexual, he campaigns on family values, mocks gays, and then has a sorrid homosexual affair in the men's room, and then blames the liberal media for exposing him.

--Man, that's cold. Talk about picking one isolated case as an example. What category does Barney Frank fit in?

If a liberal doesn't like the idea of abortion, they don't have one and they try to take steps to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.
If a conservative doesn't like the idea of abortion, they demand that no one has one, for any reason. Further, they try to stiffle any discussion of sexual education that does not demand abstanance.

--No such thing as a liberal who doesn't like the idea of an abortion. They want legally unfettered murder of unborn fetuses for any reason period. Liberals have done their best to make sure pregnant children don't even have to notify their legal guardians before having an abortion. The President of the United States, a committed liberal doesn't think his daughter 'should be punished with a baby if she makes a mistake"....

Stay away Andrew, I can wear you out all day on this one.

If a liberal's candidate loses an election, they point out the faults in the opposing candidate, but will admit when the opposing candidate got it right.
If a conservative's candidate loses an election, they'll pout and complain at every chance what a worthless politician the opposition is, instigate lies and deceptive rumors to derail the opposition, and will never admit that the opposition might have done something right.

-- No, a liberal, say Al Gore for instance will catch on to the world's biggest hoax and get stinking rich on it. Bet he sits in his giant carbon footprint of a house and laughs at his followers.

If a liberal is a believer they worship at their church of choice, but don't expect everyone else to hold their beliefs.
If a conservative is a believer, they demand freedom of religion, but only for their brand of religion.

--Don't expect everyone to hold to their beliefs? Spare me. Liberals have made sure the Lord's Prayer can't be posted in government buildings, 'one nation under god' was removed from the Pledge, instead of prayer in our public schools we get the ever insightful moment of silence.

BTW conservatives' er 'brand' of religion happens to be a huge part of what this country we're living in was based on.

If a liberal finds certain behaviors morally objectionable, they don't do them.
If a conservative finds certain behaviors morally objectionable, they try to legislate against those behaviors.

--Problem is there is no such thing as morally objectionable behavior to a liberal.

See, wasn't that fun and they're just as true as the ones Grumpy posted....

You're wrong about how true yours are, but you're right...this is pretty fun.

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[apb]

DH,

Like Grumpy's original post, you try to generalize and lump everyone together under one heading. Sorry, but the world just does not work that way. There are a wide range of opinions expressed by "liberals" and "conservatives". Like I said, my list was in jest. And yes, it is as truthful and Grumpy's original list (both highlight the extremes).

A few specific points:

...--Man, that's cold. Talk about picking one isolated case as an example. What category does Barney Frank fit in?

One specific one recently in an airport. Several others over the years too. Frank does not hide the fact that he is gay.

...--No such thing as a liberal who doesn't like the idea of an abortion. They want legally unfettered murder of unborn fetuses for any reason period. Liberals have done their best to make sure pregnant children don't even have to notify their legal guardians before having an abortion. The President of the United States, a committed liberal doesn't think his daughter 'should be punished with a baby if she makes a mistake"....

I think you will find that there are VERY few people who like the idea of abortion. As we have discussed on this forum before, I do not like the idea at all, but do recognize that it is sometimes necessary (rape, incest, health of the mother, etc.). The decission to end a pregnacy should be left up to two people: those involved. The gov't needs to stay the hell out of that decision. I would hate to see something like that case in Ireland a number of years back where a 16 year old was raped and became pregnant. The govt tried to force her to have the kid and were trying to stop her from leaving the country to have an abortion. No way anyone should have had to endure all of that. Too many on the far right would force any woman who became pregnant to go through the pregnancy no matter what the circumstances.

Anyone under the age of 18 should have to have parental permission. Obama's comment was assinine.

....Don't expect everyone to hold to their beliefs? Spare me. Liberals have made sure the Lord's Prayer can't be posted in government buildings, 'one nation under god' was removed from the Pledge, instead of prayer in our public schools we get the ever insightful moment of silence.
BTW conservatives' er 'brand' of religion happens to be a huge part of what this country we're living in was based on. ...

Why should prayers that specifically identify with one religion be allowed in a government building? Having such prayers there suggests that the government is a sponser of that religion. Against the constitution.
"One nation under god" was added to the pledge in the 1950's. Its not always been there. It was a product of the McCarthy era. I really don't think the US wants to go down that road again.

You can have prayer in a public school. I know many kids who prayed while I was in school. They just did it on their own. How else would you do it? Go round the class/school and do a prayer from each of the religions represented on different days? A moment of silence allows you the time to pray if you so desire, or not.

There is no question that most of the founding fathers held christian beliefs. Notice though how they did not specify these in the constitution? If they had wanted American to be a christian nation, they could have easily stated so in the constitution. Freedom of religion and no state sponsered religion means that you can worship however you please. You really want the govt specifying what religion you must follow? Note also that there were many influences that are part of the constituion (e.g., Magna Carter, Bible, Hammarabi's Law, etc.), not just christian ones.

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-- No, a liberal, say Al Gore for instance will catch on to the world's biggest hoax and get stinking rich on it.

My appologies DH, I did not realize that you were such an expert on climate change. Prehaps you can explain these changes to the rest of us.

....Problem is there is no such thing as morally objectionable behavior to a liberal.

Complete bull.

Andrew

[Devils Horse]

Andrew,

I didn't try to generalize and lump people into categories anymore than you did. Take a look at the thread, you picked extreme examples in almost every case.

There's almost nobody who thinks abortion shouldn't be an option for rape and incest victims, yet you trot out that tired old liberal talking point. Yes, there are far right people who don't believe there should be abortions for any reason, but there's a hell of a lot more liberals who want access to abortions so easy it can be a form of birth control. The libs ultimate offering to the supreme court, Ginsberg was the sole voter FOR partial birth abortions.

All I can say about Christian prayers in government buildings is it worked fine for America the first 150 years till liberals began to enlighten us all. Do you think all the U.S. currency with "In God We Trust" printed on it should be recalled? Or should we just print several versions like the recent run of state quarters? Can't wait to collect my "In'shalah" dollar bill.

I'm no expert on climate change, or anything else for that matter.

But if it's such solid science, maybe YOU can explain for the rest of us how it was called 'global warming' up until we had some cold weather and Al and his buddies looked like fools. All of a sudden it became a 'climate change' problem and the federal government is looking to get into the carbon credit business. While you're at it enlighten us how a 'terrorist act' suddenly became a 'man made disaster', or the war on terror became an 'interdiction'.

These questions are far too deep for a backward old foaming at the mouth conservative, I beg your indulgence.

[apb]

...Take a look at the thread, you picked extreme examples in almost every case...

Yep, and fully stated that I was doing so. Like I said, trying to lump people as "liberal" or "conservative" is a mistake. I think it is dishonest to show an extreme example, and then claim that all people who can be considered "liberal" or "conservative" share those views (as in Grumpy's original post). I think I was pretty clear in my examples to note that those were the extremes I was talking about and at the same time taking a shot at the original post.

... Ginsberg was the sole voter FOR partial birth abortions...

Except in extreme cases (like when the mother's life is at risk), I do not agree with that. If you have to have an abortion, do it early.

...Or should we just print several versions like the recent run of state quarters? Can't wait to collect my "In'shalah" dollar bill....

Had not heard of those. Honestly, I don't care one way or the other if "in god we trust" is left on money or removed.

...I'm no expert on climate change....

Me either. My point is that many people who have not looked at the data, and would not know what to do with the data if they had it in front of them, seem to want to claim its all a hoax or its all 100% correct. Plenty of internet experts out there. This is one of the problems with making such things political. You have people who have no business making decisions doing so based on little to no good data at all.

You know what, we need to fish sometime. I know MHall was much easier to tolerate after he and I fished together (I'm sure he feels the reverse is true too!).

Andrew

[Devils Horse]

We definitely need to wet a hook sometime, we'd get along just fine. I bet ole Mark would go fishing with you right now if you called.

BTW, had a killer day on Ky yesterday, me and my partner C and R'd prolly 80 bass in 8 hours. A smallie over 4 almost pulled my partner overboard, and I lucked into a LM over 5 for our 2 best fish. Weighed in a 5 fish limit just shy of 18 lbs. Another team had an 8 pound pig of a LM anchoring their sack. Been a heck of spring so far.

[apb]

Let me know if you are going to be in the Cumberland area and we'll set something up. Might even get Mark involved, that way we can go hit all his honey holes and beat on his fish for a while

Andrew

[apb]

... Libs blame Bush for what Barry has to deal with can any credit be given the other way?

Certainly. Obama kept several of the people that Bush appointed on once he was pres and said that he was doing so as he felt they were good for that position. Gates, for example. Likewise, several programs that Bush started were continued once Obama was in office. Some of them, like the bailouts, are not so well recieved.

Andrew

[kygorski]

More of Ronnies cronies landed in jail than any other president. His trickle down worked just like not shaking when your done. What did he do? Dont give me that bull about ruining russia, that was done by a guy who wasn't american, and he had help from a strong woman who wasn't american either.He left us in debt, took almost 10 yrs to get out.The last president we had with gonads was HST. Why do I who am not a conservative, feel the need to arm my self? From some foaming at the mouth conservative thats who. And, some of those staunch conservatives from TN are not against big gobermint now, they arew there with their hands out.You dont need to shoot liberals, just walk away and they will keep babbling, but I'm carefull who I turn my back to.