Conservative vs Liberal

[DJD]

More of Ronnies cronies landed in jail than any other president. His trickle down worked just like not shaking when your done. What did he do? Dont give me that bull about ruining russia, that was done by a guy who wasn't american, and he had help from a strong woman who wasn't american either.He left us in debt, took almost 10 yrs to get out.The last president we had with gonads was HST. Why do I who am not a conservative, feel the need to arm my self? From some foaming at the mouth conservative thats who. And, some of those staunch conservatives from TN are not against big gobermint now, they arew there with their hands out.You dont need to shoot liberals, just walk away and they will keep babbling, but I'm carefull who I turn my back to.

Foamimg at the mouth conservatives? Whats that mean?

[Devils Horse]

More of Ronnies cronies landed in jail than any other president. His trickle down worked just like not shaking when your done. What did he do? Dont give me that bull about ruining russia, that was done by a guy who wasn't american, and he had help from a strong woman who wasn't american either.He left us in debt, took almost 10 yrs to get out.The last president we had with gonads was HST. Why do I who am not a conservative, feel the need to arm my self? From some foaming at the mouth conservative thats who. And, some of those staunch conservatives from TN are not against big gobermint now, they arew there with their hands out.You dont need to shoot liberals, just walk away and they will keep babbling, but I'm carefull who I turn my back to.

Are you serious? If you remember Truman you must've been around during the first Carter administration (we're currently enjoying the second version of Jimmy Carter magnified a 100 times over). 17 per cent mortgage rates, economy in the tank, the military demoralized, Iran holding our people hostage 444 days with no consequences.Then the country gave Mr. Carter the boot and elected Ronald Reagan.

Ronald Reagan's so called trickle down economics worked pretty good by all accounts except those of die hard liberals. The country turned around under ole Ronnie and enjoyed one of the longest economically prosperous periods ever. The military got rebuilt, and he dropped a bomb on Muammar Gaddafi who for intents and purposes has been irrelevant since. The debt Mr. Reagan left was a pittance compared to what the liberal controlled federal government is doing now.

Mr. Obama and the liberal Democrat controlled Congress is bankrupting this country with their vision of European style socialism. Take a look over there and see how it's working out for them.

The only people I see foaming at the mouth are Greeks rioting and chucking rocks at police because their socialist economy collapsed and cut off their government handouts.

Bring on Ronnie's cronies, we sure could use them right now.

[apb]

You of course give it the typical liberal twist that people are being deprived of their civil rights, when in fact everyone has the right to marry.
You could 'marry' another guy if you want, and nobody will try to stop you. Hold it dear, treasure it, heck frame a certificate and put it in your front yard. Just don't expect the rest of us to accept it as a legal marriage.

It is not anyone's civil right to redefine a legal marriage for the majority of us in this country. The overwhelming majority, common sense, and nature itself has defined a marriage as a union between a man and a woman. Even our most liberal state, Californication recently voted down "legislated respect".

If people are not being treated equally, then they are being deprived of their civil rights.

Define "natural". Over 125 different species (various mammal and bird) have been documented as having at least a small part of the population living as same sex couples. Sounds like homosexual behavior is a little more "natural" than some would admit. Personally, I find the idea repulsive. Interesting thing is, every gay person (both male and female) that I have discussed this with says the same about heterosexual relationships. Again, it comes natural to them, its not something that they choose.

If you don't want to allow gay marriages to be legally recognized, then come up with some other way to legally give the same rights to all couples, gay or straight. For example, a gay couple could be together for 20 years. One goes into the hospital and is in a coma, the partner can be denied the right to see them and has no say at all in any treatment. The same would not be the case for a male-female couple. How is that fair?

How about serving in the military? If someone admits that they are gay, they will be discharged. Again, unequal treatment.

As to DH's comments on generous: if you look into that further you'll find that its pretty even. Conservatives tend to give more money, however, a lot of this is given to their church. Some of this makes its why to people in need, a good deal of it is for things like a new basketball court for the church. Liberals tend to give directly to the source.


Andrew

[Devils Horse]

If people are not being treated equally, then they are being deprived of their civil rights.

Define "natural". Over 125 different species (various mammal and bird) have been documented as having at least a small part of the population living as same sex couples. Sounds like homosexual behavior is a little more "natural" than some would admit. Personally, I find the idea repulsive. Interesting thing is, every gay person (both male and female) that I have discussed this with says the same about heterosexual relationships. Again, it comes natural to them, its not something that they choose.

If you don't want to allow gay marriages to be legally recognized, then come up with some other way to legally give the same rights to all couples, gay or straight. For example, a gay couple could be together for 20 years. One goes into the hospital and is in a coma, the partner can be denied the right to see them and has no say at all in any treatment. The same would not be the case for a male-female couple. How is that fair?

How about serving in the military? If someone admits that they are gay, they will be discharged. Again, unequal treatment.

As to DH's comments on generous: if you look into that further you'll find that its pretty even. Conservatives tend to give more money, however, a lot of this is given to their church. Some of this makes its why to people in need, a good deal of it is for things like a new basketball court for the church. Liberals tend to give directly to the source.


Andrew

One definition from Merriam Webster is: occurring in conformity with the ordinary course of nature. I'm sure there are documented cases of same sex cohabitation in the animal kingdom, but I've never heard of anyone observing those relationships actually being uh consumated. Doesn't matter, humans are free in this country to engage in those type relationships if they want.

It is not a civil right to serve in the military. You are accepted based on your ability to positively contribute to whatever capacity you are assigned. One would assume they consider you living with the gender you're sexually attracted to a distraction. I'm pretty sure if I showered and slept with an all female unit I'd be 'distracted' most of the time. Gay people have no more right to be in the military than people who are discharged because of a heart condition or flat feet.

I know gay people who I consider friends. They are generally honest productive members of society, and I'm not opposed to them having hospital, insurance, or other rights. I am however strongly opposed to legally redefining marriage to accommodate them.