I guess all the money for Global Warming Research has dried up......

[GeoFisher]

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...est=latestnews

You GOTTA LOVE IT.

I really believe this is just a game "scientists" play to stay employed.

Later,

Geo

[RoadToad]

“It's absurd to talk of global cooling when global heating is with us now and accelerating," said Dan Miller, managing director of the Roda Group, and an expert on climate change.

What's absurd is thinking that just because global temperatures are currently moving in a particular direction, they're going to keep moving that way forever. Personally, I've never doubted that "global warming" is happening. The facts speak for themselves, and the air is slowly warming up. What is VERY questionable, though, is how much of it is due to human behavior, and what the future will bring.

[DJD]

Really what data shows the air is warming? How can it be? Snow in Florida this past winter usually means it's colder. Winters around here been cold as a well diggers left toe.
Sounds like another snapshot piece of data that is being used to support a movement looking for more money.
I remember all the experts crying about global warming or whatever the new catchy name is this year. Maybe they should link it too Bigfoot and the lochness monster cause you have a bunch of data there too.

[roadrunner]

I had a professor at the University of Illinois around 1967 tell us if the planet kept cooling at the rate it is going we would not be able to raise corn in Illinois in fifty years. Do you think maybe climate is cyclical and there is nothing we can do about it?

[mhall]

It sure is cyclical but that isn't what you said. You said the facts speak for themselves, the air is slowly warming up, then you contradicted yourself.

We just went through the 15th ranked coldest winter all time here in Louisville. I heard another stat that 15 other states this year set records for all time cold and or snow amounts. Some states recorded the coldest temps ever on record ALL TIME.

I don't think it's getting warmer at all, I have a fairly heavy jacket on right now, wore one yesterday to. We have had frost three times at my house over the last two weeks. Sure it was just on elevated surfaces but frost none the less.

[stratosjoe]

I got a laugh when you posted you had a jacket on and it felt pretty good. Made me think I used to never wear a coat at all now don't leave home without it,,,course used to go mosta night now i "go all of the night ,,peeing that is" ...times sure change but it sure seems like when i was kid 60 years ago the snow was awfully deep

[RoadToad]

MHall, look back through the thread, you're confusing me with roadrunner. No worries, you're not the first.

When I say, "the facts speak for themselves," what I'm basing that statement on is primarily the reports from NASA: http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20100121/
and NOAA: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...stats_sup.html

If you don't take those as fact, fine. I'm not a meteorologist, so of course I could be wrong. But I believe it. Show me some scientific evidence to the contrary.

Also I must point out that saying that the temperatures are currently going up, and saying that it's cyclical, is not a contradiction at all. In fact, that was my point when I said, "What's absurd is thinking that just because global temperatures are currently moving in a particular direction, they're going to keep moving that way forever." Just because the global temperature is currently on the rise is no reason to think it won't cool back down. It has ALWAYS been cyclical, and to believe that all of a sudden it's not is absurd. So, while the source that Geo quoted is basically just one guy, I think his theory that the world will actually cool somewhat between now and 2030 is plausible, and I'd like to read more about it.

DJD, when you say, "Snow in Florida this past winter usually means it's colder. Winters around here been cold as a well diggers left toe. Sounds like another snapshot piece of data that is being used to support a movement looking for more money," I just have to laugh. Who's the one using "snapshots?" NOAA assesses temperatures two ways, nationally and globally. They don't base their conclusions on "snapshots" of Florida, and the Louisville-Lexington area, as you're doing.

Several times before I've posted that just because it's colder in one area, that doesn't mean that the earth as a whole isn't warming up, and if memory serves, both of you have replied with, "yeah, we know that." Yet here you go using that same argument again.

[DJD]

Someone said on here before that data can be tossed around to support your stance on this topic. Look hard enough and you will find some data to copy and paste to support your stance.

I personally feel it's a wacko, tree hugging, special interest driven topic.

Wonder why they changed the name from Global Warming to Climate Change? Sounds like they had to change the rules in the middle of the game cause people were getting wind of the corruption.