Obama not at Arlington

[apb]

As Commander and Chief of this great Nation of ours you MUST support and HONOR the military at ALL times and at ALL costs, that's the bottom line and it should NEVER waiver.

Mmmm, I believe that is what he was doing in Illinios while he stood out in a nasty thunder storm. Do the soldiers buried in other cemeteries around the US, and the world for that matter, not also deserve our respect too?

Andrew

[apb]

I'm sure you know I can't stand him as the face of our country. Absolutly can't stand the man. I can't hide the fact that I'm for anything that gets the people who voted for him or people on the fence to "change" their minds about him before the next election.

I don't think he is good for this country. I'm just not a spend your way out of debt kind of guy...no matter who is doing it. If he would stand up and take responsibility once in awhile for what he has done then I would say hmmm maybe their is something to him.

Your right a political non-issue but a public eye issue indeed and thats what he is concerned about the most.

I can certainly see why some folks have issues with Obama. I'm not a big fan of some of his ideas either. However, the seemingly blind hatred that is shown towards him gets a little old. Take him to task for for things that he has done that counter the direction you feel the country should be going, more power to you. The constant belittling and spin turning everything he does into something negative makes many of you appear petty. You want to know what will give him the best shot at another four years: continuously making issue out of non-issues and not providing solutions. Sorry, but that is where the repubs seem to be going these days.

Andrew

[apb]

Digging around a little on the net and came up with these pieces of info:

the focus of the modern observance is the laying of a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns by the president of the United States, which presidents have taken part in since Lyndon Johnson first did in 1968.

1983: Reagan attended summit meeting; Deputy Secretary of Defense W. Paul Thayer laid wreath at Arlington that year.

George H. W. Bush, did not attend the Arlington ceremony a single time. One year, he attended a Memorial Day ceremony in Rome, but he spent the others vacationing in Kennebunkport, Maine, and attending ceremonies there, while other officials attended the Arlington ceremonies.

On Memorial Day 2002, a day after attending the NATO summit in Rome, President George W. Bush, along with Secretary of State Colon Powell, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Anthony Principi, members of the U.S. Congress, members of the U.S. Armed Services and American veterans celebrated Memorial Day at the Normandy American Cemetery, and Colleville-Sur-Mer, France. Mr. Bush was not at Arlington, but he did honor the thousands of Americans buried in France who helped liberate Europe during World War II.

Andrew

[kygorski]

your right, its plain simple hatred, guess some folks cant seem to realize that the old ways always have a way of changing good for some bad for others. theres a good chance our next president or vice president maybe a female.I'm against closing gitmo,there are plwnty of future american terrorists waiting in this country. I'm not for the afgan fiasco, we beat their a--es,so pack up and go home, why rebuild their country when some of ours is falling apart.We know who the enemy is radical islamists, lets start sending them packing. Amnesty for illegals BS, mine the border, make it another DMZ, and the employers of these illegals, send them packing, Got my medicare letter today, can't find nothing on the death camps.Banking laws will be changed, some of the ideas are right, we permitted usury for banks, and jailed the mafia for the same thing.And this birth certicate crap is getting old also.Adding another woman to the supeme court, the population is over 50% female, so why add another old man?

[DJD]

I can certainly see why some folks have issues with Obama. I'm not a big fan of some of his ideas either. However, the seemingly blind hatred that is shown towards him gets a little old. Take him to task for for things that he has done that counter the direction you feel the country should be going, more power to you. The constant belittling and spin turning everything he does into something negative makes many of you appear petty. You want to know what will give him the best shot at another four years: continuously making issue out of non-issues and not providing solutions. Sorry, but that is where the repubs seem to be going these days.

Andrew

Petty? It's politics man. Remember all the remarks about Bush not speaking properly? Can you say nuclear? Did that having anything to do with his ability to run the country? He was called dumb and made fun of by the left all the time. His facial expressions always became news and if he floundered in a speech or opening a door (alright that was darn funny!) it was front page news. Constant accusations by the Dems that he was controlling oil prices to make him and his friends in texas rich heck Hillary even went public and said we need a Dem in power to lower gas prices. I bet there are millions of people who still believe he had that power. He was blamed 100% for the economy by the Dems and alot of people bought into that as well. In my opinion none of that was true as it was portrayed by the Dems and remember it was on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC and so on....almost nightly.

I know it goes both ways and it's just his turn. I actually think it works to hammer the guy into the ground. It worked for the Dem party looky at what we got now!

It will be the Dems turn again in a few years because a GOP guy or gal will be the next POTUS. I wish we had other party choices cause it would be a huge step in the right(no pun intended)direction.

[kygorski]

DJ your right. we do need another viable party in our country. not that we dont have them at election time, its that they only run some one pony candidate, and draw off votes, like nader and his gadfly party. We had one guy run here several years ago as an independent, he won a county seat, then he ran as a repob. won, now he lost the primary.Yes I'm a democrat, but have voted for a lot of republicans,some of them almost did what trhey said they would, some didn't at all, same with some of the democrats I voted for. I once in awhile will go and check the congressional voting records, and see which MAN does my bidding.the only way we can over come this two paerty system, is with tax payer paid elections, and ban private large sum special funding, aint gonna happen. Next step would be mandatory term limits for every office, aint gonna happen. Its not so much the partys, its the special interests that have run this country into the ground, and they are not going to go away,why?

[mhall]

Yea I'm petty. I've done this before for you Andrew so I'll do it again.

1. Don't like his spending policies at all. When I'm behind at my house the last thing the wife and I do is spend MORE money. It's just PLAIN STUPID!
2. Don't like his foreign policy at all. We are America **** it, we don't BOW to anybody, we don't make smoochy with people that don't like us just to get them to like us. It shows weakness and other countries that hate us and want to kill us feed off of this kind of weakness being shown.
3. He has ties to known terrorist and VERY shady people. His history is littered with backdoor and under the table dealings that are just to hard to swallow. Acorn supported by Obama was the biggest illegally run organization this country has seen in 50 years or more. Why did he dispand it recently, so investigations wouldn't rock his boat. Also it was a key element to getting him in office which in turn was again illegal on many counts, but we'll never really know now will we? Only one example here there are many more with he and his shady wife's slum Lord dealings and land accusitions ect.
4. Don't like his views on tax bases. He has a Robin Hood mentality, take from those willing to work and give to those that won't. Oh yes he's big into this, the majority that got him elected, he needs to give back to, therefore the issue.
5. He does not support the military as much as he should. He is also a Muslim extremist sympathizer. Listen to how he word's things to not offend the Muslim world. Too much tippy toe'ing around and not enough REAL speak for me. Again showing his weakness and softness to others that want TO KILL US.
6. He's knee deep in Unions that also help him get elected. He does what is best for them 90% of the time despite it being the overall bad thing for the country. Why, it serves his cause and he has proven time and time again that he WILL NOT bite the hand that feeds him.
7. I think he's a closet Muslim. You think that is obsurd and laugh at my ignorance. Here's a question for you, do you know for sure he's not, he said it twice in the same interview, just a verbal Fopau according to you, I'm not so sure. If he is, why does he try to hide it, why not be proud of it? He also sit in the front row of a church and give standing ovations to a man that is the biggest RACIST on planet earth. Recently Wright said Obama threw him under the bus for political reasons and his staff won't even return his phone calls. Wright also said a Obama spokeperson told him that Obama nor his administration wanted anything to do with him or his fund raisers ect ect. Check it out, I'm sure you will, I'm a stupid country boy but I know what I read in the article. This was on MSNBC last week to, you Gorski aught to know that LIBERAL news source.
8. His domestic policies, with bailout's for all, United Health Care are the biggest JOKE'S this country has ever seen. A sixth grader learning basic economics knows, SOMEBODY has to pay the bill, well guess who that somebody is...........ME and mine!

I've got more but will stop by saying, you Obama lovers slammed Bush every chance you got. He's stupid because he has a county twang to his voice, he doesn't give good speeches therefore he must be an idiot. Shows like Saturday Night Live and Keith Oberdouche, and Rachel Madcow sit and made jokes about him and thought they were so funny. BUT NOW GOD forbid anybody do that to the great Messiah or your labeled, Poor, stupid, ignorant, a racist or petty. Most people that can't stand Obama have real reasons, and they aren't the reason's you LIB'S think................here it is............wait for it....................OMG HE'S BLACK. Get something new that is SO PAST OLD.

I thought Jimmy Carter was one of the worst American Presidents of all time but I really liked the guy. He cared about people, was sincere and honest to a fault. No matter how much he stunk the place up I never bashed him because I honestly thought he was trying to do what he thought was right.

This guy we have now is so interested in protecting his special interest groups and making sure HIS LEGACY is profoundly etched in history he doesn't care about anything else.

And no I CAN'T FRIGGIN STAND THE MAN, the mere sight of him makes my skin crawl. I don't like everybody I meet, hell I've been around a few people in my life I was ready to bust in the mouth after fifteen minutes of being near them. It's not normal to like everybody you meet, that's just normal. Now if he starts doing things right and acting like a real President I'll meet him half way, but I wouldn't stand in line if you paid me 100 dollars an hour to meet him, I find him boring and a puppet on a string.


I felt that since it was his first year in office, since we are at War and have so many of our people in harm's way right now that he should have been there. That was my point, it's a symbolic gesture of support and it would have helped bring alot of military folks and people like myself maybe a little closer to the man, but instead it drove me and some of them I'm sure farther away.

[apb]

Mark,

That is exactly what I am talking about. The issues you raised are legitimate concerns. I have no problem with those (I agree with you on some). If folks would stick to the issues and concentrate on how those can be resolved we are all better off. Its the continous: this guy ***** nothing you can say will change my mind let me spin everything so it makes him look bad, stuff that gets old. Like I said, harping on things that are really non-issues or trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill distracts from your real message.

Don, look back at the threads on here during the Bush years. I do not remember the extensive bashing of Bush like is being done to Obama by folks on this board.

Andrew

[DJD]

Mark,

That is exactly what I am talking about. The issues you raised are legitimate concerns. I have no problem with those (I agree with you on some). If folks would stick to the issues and concentrate on how those can be resolved we are all better off. Its the continous: this guy ***** nothing you can say will change my mind let me spin everything so it makes him look bad, stuff that gets old. Like I said, harping on things that are really non-issues or trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill distracts from your real message.

Don, look back at the threads on here during the Bush years. I do not remember the extensive bashing of Bush like is being done to Obama by folks on this board.

Andrew

I do but there is no way we can go tit for tat. I remember PL, Moosey, Pontooner, slippedcork and others who bashed Bush especially when McCain was running but it doesn't really matter. Some of these guys got into such a fervor over it they got themselves banished from the site.

My main point was that the main stream media unleashes the dogs on Conservatives/GOP members to belittle them and sway the vote to their favor. I think several of the networks are owned by Liberal thinking folks who have an agenda. Some of that garbage gets on here and gets repeated over and over. Mark pointed out several with K.O. and R.M. that can be used for ammo but thats the short list.

Mark speaks of alot of the points that have been made on here and I commented on several of them in the past and am in agreement with all of them.

We all learn to listen to that voice in our head about when something isn't quite right and that voice is screaming that this potus is a crook in the highest order. Getting to be potus doesn't take but a few simple requirements and even that simple thing like a birth certificate became major news with this guy. Why? Forget that he (produced) one just why did it take so long and why is their still controversy about it? The list is long with this guy on stuff like this and for those reasons that we have all read on here I hope he doesn't get re-elected I do not support him or his views.

[ukkid]

I think the fact that Bush was a Naval Officer gives him a pass from critics on his love of America. I mean what else can a man do but give years of his life to the service?

Obama on the other hand has had associations with Terrorists, Muslim teachings, controversy surrounding his birth certificate and on and on so it does look worse. His name, his statements and some of his actions make him a target and I could care less if it's fair. His past is up for scrutiny and I still don't believe we know all there is to know about this guy.

Bush was a drunk who would have been drummed out of the service if not for Daddy...
and as far as associations with terrorists???? Bush was at one time friends with BIN LADEN and his family and they visited the white house while the "worst president in history" was in office....

[ukkid]

I can certainly see why some folks have issues with Obama. I'm not a big fan of some of his ideas either. However, the seemingly blind hatred that is shown towards him gets a little old. Take him to task for for things that he has done that counter the direction you feel the country should be going, more power to you. The constant belittling and spin turning everything he does into something negative makes many of you appear petty. You want to know what will give him the best shot at another four years: continuously making issue out of non-issues and not providing solutions. Sorry, but that is where the repubs seem to be going these days.

Andrew

You hit the nail exactly on the head there Andrew..there has been a blind hatred for him as soon as he got elected. The good thing is the majority of good common sense people like the idea of a man who at least is going to try to change some of the things that have dragged this country down for the last eight years....Obama will get re elected and we need to thank the GOP and the "Tea Partiers", excuse me the "New Klan" for that....

[apb]

... Bush was at one time friends with BIN LADEN and his family ....

I think you are are little off there. The Bushs were (might still be) associates of the Bin Laden family; however, that most certainly did not include Osama Bin Laden. I'm sure you'll find that a number of his family members do not approve of Osama's actions.

Andrew